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Old 06-13-2009, 02:26 AM   #16 (permalink)
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They redirect domains related to users queries and geo locations. They have their ebrandz.com optimized for SEO Newyork and ebrandz.in for SEO India having same content and leads in manipulating results. You can check by viewing their source code and the funny part is they use JavaScript’s for these
This is called ip delivery and it plays an important role when a multinational company wants to rank its website in different countries and target local users. In fact this is a very important question many clients ask. If you are interested in Geo targetting countries for SEO you might want to read this article which I had written for WebSite Magazine :-

websitemagazine.com/content/blogs/posts/articles/Geo_Targeting_Countries_For_SEO.aspx]Geo[/url] Targeting Countries For SEO - Website Magazine - Website Magazine

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I have no Idea how Google dint spot redirects and content duplication of these 2 sites and added they rank well in Google listing instead of banding these sites.
Are you actually suggesting this is unethical in any way ? What does Google do when you type Google.com in uk ? does it take you to Google.com or google.co.uk ? Geo targetting and ip delivery has been a very old debate in this industry (as long as I can remember). There were many points made for Geo targetting by prominent people in this industry like Brett Tabke (webmasterworld) or Danny Sullivan (Search Engine land).

In fact Google has changed its guidelines and focuses on intent of ip delivery. And just for your knowledge, Google is aware that we are doing ip delivery to target different users and website. Also the content on all our different websites (which targets different regions) is localized and has different pricing or different writing styles - which suits local audience.
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Old 06-13-2009, 02:33 AM   #17 (permalink)
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Have you thought about doing the SEO yourself? I know it's not for everyone- but you could do it, if you dedicate the time.
If you understand HTML and design, then doing SEO yourself is a very nice idea. I am not aware of Andrew Hazen's book... but I have read Planet Ocean's The Unfair advantage on winning search engine wars and can recommend it (But I read that book 7 years ago). Other one which I can recommend is Aaron Wall's SEO Book.

Apart from that, if you like Videos then have a look at Market Motive or buy DVDs from SeoMoz.

Spend at least 8 to 10 hours a day studying and in 6 to 8 months time you will have decent knowledge. Just one small advice... do not believe everything that has been posted online. Hope this helps.
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Old 06-13-2009, 03:32 AM   #18 (permalink)
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when i was looking for cheap SEO
i searched the term "cheap seo" on google and chose 2 of the top guys listed
and it worked out well
i figured if they can get listed for their term they will for mine
just my little input
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Old 06-15-2009, 05:41 AM   #19 (permalink)
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Well known to me. Question comes down

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This is called ip delivery and it plays an important role when a multinational company wants to rank its website in different countries
Cases with Google is different in many ways with yours as it is not selling with same content and target is not clear. Question comes down

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Are you actually suggesting this is unethical in any way ? What does Google do when you type Google.com in uk ? does it take you to Google.com or google.co.uk ? Geo targetting and ip delivery has been a very old debate in this industry (as long as I can remember).
Yes they do but not these as you can compare your .com and .in sites representation

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There were many points made for Geo targetting by prominent people in this industry like Brett Tabke (webmasterworld) or Danny Sullivan (Search Engine land).
And you mean to say content is different for ebrandz.in ebrandz.com

Try out with some content comparison tool and check out the persentage level of duplication

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Also the content on all our different websites (which targets different regions) is localized and has different pricing or different writing styles - which suits local audience.
Okay one question you have a .com domain and doing a Geo target, now why does "SEO Company New York" keyword has been used in ebrandz.in?

We are just discussing nothing else
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Old 06-17-2009, 05:57 AM   #20 (permalink)
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Cases with Google is different in many ways with yours as it is not selling with same content and target is not clear. Question comes down
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Yes they do but not these as you can compare your .com and .in sites representation
The concept of Ip delivery is used primarily to show different pricing / service deliverables to users in different countries. Its a Marketing requirement. Google does IP delivery because it can show most relevant or Local results to its users.

Many businesses including ours, does IP delivery to show different pricing to users in different geographies.
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And you mean to say content is different for ebrandz.in ebrandz.com

Try out with some content comparison tool and check out the persentage level of duplication
Take any content comparison tool and it will show that the HTML code of two different pages within a website will also have 60 to 80 % similar content.

Also as explained in previous post... the main objective is to show different pricing and local currencies to your users. We actually have spent time and tried to create custom content based on country/ geography which we are targeting. However, points like Unique value proposition, advantages over competition will not change and those might show up as duplicate content. Does that make these pages duplicates and create a penalty? No.

Google says it looks at your intent. In fact, when we first started advertising with Google, they also asked us questions as to why our website home page has redirect .. We explained it to them and they were satisfied with our answers.
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Old 06-17-2009, 06:09 AM   #22 (permalink)
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Okay one question you have a .com domain and doing a Geo target, now why does "SEO Company New York" keyword has been used in ebrandz.in?
Actually I agree with you on this point. But let me first be a devil's advocate

What is the advantage of putting New York as a keyword on ebrandz.in ? From a SEO perspective .. nothing. Because the Top level domain is .in and because the site is hosted in India, it will have close to zero probability of ranking on local search terms like "SEO New York" in Google USA or Google International. It might rank high if someone is searching for New York based SEO companies in India.

So what is the benefit ? It is beneficial when local investors and financial institutions look at your website. It shows that you are a multi national company and creates a positive impression.

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Old 06-17-2009, 08:59 AM   #23 (permalink)
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You are not understanding the point, going off the way.

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The concept of Ip delivery is used primarily to show different pricing / service deliverables to users in different countries. Its a Marketing requirement. Google does IP delivery because it can show most relevant or Local results to its users.

Many businesses including ours, does IP delivery to show different pricing to users in different geographies.
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Old 06-17-2009, 09:13 AM   #24 (permalink)
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It's really funny other would know about it

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Take any content comparison tool and it will show that the HTML code of two different pages within a website will also have 60 to 80 % similar content.
You say all your contents are regional specific and you do as per your content text. SEO person would know will know once they see both the sites

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Also as explained in previous post... the main objective is to show different pricing and local currencies to your users. We actually have spent time and tried to create custom content based on country/ geography which we are targeting. However, points like Unique value proposition, advantages over competition will not change and those might show up as duplicate content. Does that make these pages duplicates and create a penalty? No.
No role over here. We are talking about organic content duplication and misleading users results

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Google says it looks at your intent. In fact, when we first started advertising with Google, they also asked us questions as to why our website home page has redirect .. We explained it to them and they were satisfied with our answers.
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Old 06-17-2009, 09:29 AM   #25 (permalink)
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Thanks and this is not just for the sake of arguement. I just want to correct, if willing can take

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Actually I agree with you on this point. But let me first be a devil's advocate
Yes all these are known and may help for some newbie

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What is the advantage of putting New York as a keyword on ebrandz.in ? From a SEO perspective .. nothing. Because the Top level domain is .in and because the site is hosted in India, it will have close to zero probability of ranking on local search terms like "SEO New York" in Google USA or Google International.
This is really funny and can put down the brand level. Hope you would fix this and think about logic too. SEO is a learning process and there is noting wrong if we accept some facts

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It might rank high if someone is searching for New York based SEO companies in India.
Really? so it is also a showcase.

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So what is the benefit ? It is beneficial when local investors and financial institutions look at your website. It shows that you are a multi national company and creates a positive impression.
Go for Global market or local market. Need not confuse users and manuplate results for just showing off. Again these are not just for the sake of arguement, facts has to be agreed
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Old 06-17-2009, 09:35 AM   #26 (permalink)
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Well said, may be competitors gets some leads

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What do you do if a client is running, say, a business, and doesn't want to link out to 45-50 of their competitors?

How do you build links then?

Reciprocal based link building is only a good idea on certain types of sites.
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Old 06-17-2009, 10:39 AM   #27 (permalink)
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So the word "New York" been removed now in ebrandz.in Good I would have appreciated if this has been done while back without any arguements and explinations

Also inner pages of .com site are not under geo target to target local users

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Internet Marketing SEO Company Ewebmarketing.com.au provides Exellent SEO Services to the clients.
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