[jay26783]

a superincome.com- If you read what I wrote, you wouldn't have had to write half of what you wrote.

Originally Posted by asuperincome.com

jay26783 Have you ever been in MLM?
If so are you still involved init?

First- I was nearly involved in an MLM that my aunt was extremely passionate about. However, emotion can be crippling in business- and before I involve myself in any investment, I do TONS of homework to assess the true scope of the opportunity. So- don't dismiss me as a common naysayer, because you would be grossly underestimating me.

Originally Posted by asuperincome.com

The example gives you a 10x10 structure, to be honest I have never heard of these, all the mlms i know of talk about 5x5.

This is completely irrelevant. If it's only 5x5 as opposed to 10x10, it simply slows the saturation process; it doesn't change the inevitable and impossible result of infinite expansion.

Originally Posted by asuperincome.com

And as for market sturation, HELLO, there is a whole world out there, and MLM has been Huge in the USA for ages, and the USA isnt saturated, look at how many HERBAL product MLM companies are in the states.

HELLO- you just contradicted your point. "Look at how many HERBAL product MLM companies are in the states" - i.e.- market saturation! This is just getting funny now.

Continuing- you pointed out that

Originally Posted by asuperincome.com

Utility warehouse has lots of agents, and so far only has 2% of the UK market.

HELLO- again, you are validating my point! With ALL THOSE AGENTS, and only 2% of the market? Guess what- that is MARKET SATURATION! There is only a limited number of people who will buy a given product- so if you put an unlimited number of salespeople out there, invariably MANY WILL FAIL.

These are simple business concepts. Basic. Fundamental. Inarguable.

Originally Posted by asuperincome.com

Satuartion in mlm will never happen, as people join, and at the same time people leave it.

And as more and more fail and leave, as you so intuitively observed will ALWAYS happen, you can subtract them from your list of possible prospects. Subtract from that list, too, anybody that those people know, because they are sure to tell others of the falsity of the "business" of MLM to prevent others from befalling the same dismal failure. Once again- all of this leads to a limited market with too many salespeople in unrestricted territories.

Originally Posted by asuperincome.com

Please dont be like everyone else, who sees a few posts slagging off mlm, does a search for MLM scams, and then considers themselfs an expert.

To that, all I can say to you is, please don't be like every other MLMer who is brainwashed into thinking it is the greatest thing on earth, and then defends it as though it is a religion, dismissing all who don't agree or buy into it, leaving former friends and family as prospects instead of the former, making new 'friends' who are really just other pretentious MLMers looking for their next prospect. I guess what I'm really saying is- please don't be so ridiculously hypocritical and naive.

[Bobby4]

jay, just curious..what company was your aunt with and what made it not look good to you?

[asuperincome.com]

Originally Posted by jay26783

a superincome.com- If you read what I wrote, you wouldn't have had to write half of what you wrote.

[b]

First- I was nearly involved in an MLM that my aunt was extremely passionate about. However, emotion can be crippling in business- and before I involve myself in any investment, I do TONS of homework to assess the true scope of the opportunity. So- don't dismiss me as a common naysayer, because you would be grossly underestimating me.

Never mean to underestimate anyone, but most people do just slate MLM, thinking they know about it when they dont. And yes i agree emotions in business, be it mlm or business in general camn be crippling, its good to keep the two seperate. What MLM were you nearly involved in, and why didnt you get involved? .



This is completely irrelevant. If it's only 5x5 as opposed to 10x10, it simply slows the saturation process; it doesn't change the inevitable and impossible result of infinite expansion.


Anything is possible, but the chances of any MLM company reaching saturation is highly unlikely. For one, the high turnover of MLM agents, the fact that the earths population is nearly always increasing (think it stopped for 3 years a few years ago?). So yes while it is possible(as is anything) it highly unlikely. But then a conventional business you start could also do the same thing.



HELLO- you just contradicted your point. "Look at how many HERBAL product MLM companies are in the states" - i.e.- market saturation! This is just getting funny now.

Dont get your point on this one? How does the fact that there are a lot of herbal companies in the states doing MLM prove the market is saturated, surely saturation is when there are no more consumers to supply a product too, and no more companies can enter and be successful in the market place?

Surely the fact that oboesity in the USA and most of the world is increasing as standards of health is decreasing, means there is more of a market to go at?

Although why you would join a herbal MLM is beyond me, most of them ask you to autobuy your own products, which I wouldnt do, I think a good MLM needs a product that a large % of the market place want, and can afford. Like Kleeneze,E-lottery,Utility warehouse etc.

Continuing- you pointed out that

HELLO- again, you are validating my point! With ALL THOSE AGENTS, and only 2% of the market? Guess what- that is MARKET SATURATION! There is only a limited number of people who will buy a given product- so if you put an unlimited number of salespeople out there, invariably MANY WILL FAIL.

Okay, not sure on this one either, in the UK all of the population uses utilities such as gas/elec/telephone/mobile internet etc. However most of the population has heard of the Utility warehouse discount club, I never had untill I was told about it. Have you (question only applies if you live in the UK!!) So I think this one is more a point that the company hasnt been introduced to people, could also be the fact that since deregulation, the UK utilities market has got highly competitive, and some people are sick of being asked about it.


And as more and more fail and leave, as you so intuitively observed will ALWAYS happen, you can subtract them from your list of possible prospects. Subtract from that list, too, anybody that those people know, because they are sure to tell others of the falsity of the "business" of MLM to prevent others from befalling the same dismal failure. Once again- all of this leads to a limited market with too many salespeople in unrestricted territories.

Also more and more succed. Like you said some fail some succed, same with a conventional business, did you know 99% of all new start business world wide will fail within the first ten years?



To that, all I can say to you is, please don't be like every other MLMer who is brainwashed into thinking it is the greatest thing on earth, and then defends it as though it is a religion, dismissing all who don't agree or buy into it, leaving former friends and family as prospects instead of the former, making new 'friends' who are really just other pretentious MLMers looking for their next prospect. I guess what I'm really saying is- please don't be so ridiculously hypocritical and naive.

Hmmm on the point of brain washing, I agree with some respects of what you say, some MLM espically the american ones are very what I cal RAR RAR, all hyper and we are the best thing on earth, and yes I know off people who have been suckered into that way of thinking, again its the same with some jobs you will get over time they convert you into say an Asda person or a wallmart person. I dont dismiss all who argue against MLM, I just challenge the ones whom dont seem to know much about the industry. I never approach friends or family, if they ask what I do I tell them and leave it, if they decide to ask more they can, if they dont fair enough.

But at the end of the day If i am naive in believing in MLM then at the same time you are for not liking it, seeing as you have never been involved in MLM.
End of the day I do okay from MLM, so obviously I will like it, if you have done bad in MLM or someone you know has then you arent going to like it.

I believe in Multiple streams of income, so i build MLM a few websites, I have a job, and when I finish Uni hopefully some property.

No MLM isnt right for everyone
No Jobs arent right for everyone
No franchises arent right for everyone
And
No running a conventional business isnt right for everyone

End of the day, neither are going to see the other ones point of view completly. You are being just as niave as I am, if i am, I know it works and I am happy for me, for some it wont. It all comes down to your work ethic, picking a company and an upline that suits you.

This may continue for sometime, hope my replies in Bold make sense to those reading this post, it was easier to do it that way.

All the best

Dave

[asuperincome.com]

Originally Posted by jay26783

Oh wow, that's truly amazing! A whole 14 days!

If you don't eat, shower, or do anything else in life for that 2 weeks, you should have just enough time to get through all of their brainwashing videos and reading material without actually getting to put any of it to use to find out it sucks! Excellent! 14 day money back trial... how awful. Anything respectable has at least a 30 return policy, no questions asked.


Listen, the fact that this thread was even started here suggests that MLM'ers are struggling to convince everyone else how 'great' MLM is, and perhaps are truly trying to convince themselves. If you have to argue with someone about the validity of a business, that's usually a good indication to the contrary.

While I wish you the best of luck in your endeavors, this thread asked for opinions- don't be upset when they are not in line with your own.

End of the day the thread was started to see why people hate it, I dont think it was started to defend MLM, but its good to see the points from both sides of the coin.

In my posts I am trying to state the facts/my opinions and not get into an arguement.

But as with everything there is two sides to the coin.

Also 14 days aint bad, if you bought a McDonalds franchise for half a million would you get a money back guarantee (the only thing i can think of would be (under english contract law) a 30 day cooling off period, but not sure if that applies or not?)

If you started your own business, there is no way you could change your mind after so many days and get your cash back.

You seem like an educated person, and you preach against MLM, so your just as bad as us, we defend it, you attack it.

Maybe your jealous of people who succeed? And feel you need to attack it?
People normally attack what they dont understand, and normally put people down who are doing well.

So did us mlmers start the argument on MLM being Good or mlm haters start it saying its bad?

Hey ho the debate continues.

On a seperate note, this is great stuff and may help with my research in the early stages, so i thank you all for you entries and look forward to more.May even post my questionaire on here, as i am looking for both sides of the spectrum on MLM. For my uni work which I am inpartial on.

[jhhardin]

Unless you start an MLM, you are not an entrepeneur.

The definition is: A person who organizes, operates, and assumes the risk for a business venture.

If you are an MLM lover, then find an MLM forum and push your product. This forum is for entrepeneurs.

[Quaker1234]

Originally Posted by asuperincome.com

So did us mlmers start the argument on MLM being Good or mlm haters start it saying its bad?

LMAO again what was the title of this thread???

[BizMan101]

Originally Posted by jhhardin

Unless you start an MLM, you are not an entrepeneur.

The definition is: A person who organizes, operates, and assumes the risk for a business venture.

If you are an MLM lover, then find an MLM forum and push your product. This forum is for entrepeneurs.

Yeah that's spelled Entrepreneur!

[successcoach]

I tend to disagree with most of you as I am in a MLM company and I love it. Granted my company was started by two very successful network marketers who have an unusual amount of experience working as reps first and then they started their own company so they know what it is like to be a distributor. I have nothing negative what so ever to say about it based on my experience but of course this is the only mlm I have ever been in.

[dean29]

Any company that charges you money to "work for them" or "sell their products" is really just trying to sell you. That's where they make the real money. I was at the top #2 of an MLM scheme once, and it was horrible. Albeit mine gave more opportunity and didn't charge start-up fees, the better part of 30% of the company was profiting while the rest lost their money. This is VERY subtle compared to almost all other companies, I'd estimate only 1% make worthy profit in those huge companies.

Nevertheless, complaints still poored in. Why? Because anyone who joins a high yield scheme really believes they're going to "make it big". Two reasons for this: they don't have much experience in the business world and they invest more than they can afford. Hopefully by now most of us know that's not the case. I felt disgusted with myself and removed myself from that market. It's hard to talk about but I hope that helps

Originally Posted by lisa1979

The company that asuperincome.com and myself promote offers a 14 day money back trial. Not many can offer that!

Lisa

Most MLM's allow 30 days money back, it's just in fine print. Don't feel special



My statement above is false and for example purposes only

[agelforums]

Dean29 .. you have a good post there .. and I thought about some of those same points when I was doing Agel "yes MLM" and so I re-considered what I was doing and went on a search for something better, cheaper, and more useful.

And I found it.

Dean you talk about charging money for your products and what not.

Thats why I joined Eniva .. the product VIBE .. no start up costs, no fees, you buy want you want when you want and no more.

You sign up as a customer or distributor the same exact way. And that is for a 2 month supply is only $100.

So that takes care of that part.

Now, you talk about "making it big". Not everyone is going to make it big in network marketing .. but if you have just a little determination, focus, goals, and desire to do so, and challenge yourself and have a great product to backup your marketing.

Alot of people dont have experience in this kind of business, but that is what a marketing plan is for and conference calls and websites are. All the knowledge is out there .. you just have to want it .. nothing is get rich and nothing is easy money. So when you say "make it big", right away that tells me what type of mentally they have and what they are expecting.

I believe there is a quote going around here that say something like, think small to think big or something .. I know thats not it, but the same principle, you got to challenge yourself to learn, read, and pick the top people in your company's brains apart. Learn from their mistakes and learn how they got to where they are.

Most people invest more than they can afford .. That is true most of the time, and thats why I joined Eniva .. you ONLY pay for the product and thats it .. no fees, no magazines, no nothing..

So I have found a great company and a great product that I couldnt enjoy more promoting and sharing with everyone.

[Bscivolette]

MLM is pure trash and so are most of the people who participate. Good example:

I have some ads out to hire movers for my moving company. The other day I get this call from a guy who says, " Hi, Do I know you? I have you in my phone book...maybe we have talked about Primarica?" He then attempted to sell me insurance and financial advice (BTW, Primarica is a MLM on Citigroups side, they recruit others to recruit others to sell insurance and other crap with promises of high earnings, etc. As far as I'm concerned the original MLM) So I said..."no, I don't deal with Primerica." As I was about to hang up, he said oh wait your the guy with the moving company right? I agreed and he said are you still hiring? I need some money.

So...case and point. Many MLM'ers think they are in business and in fact they have no idea what they are doing and are usually pretty broke. Another good example is a client of my advertising firm in SoCal. He wanted a site designed for his financial consulting, etc. We did it...he couldn't pay because he had no cash - real good financial adviser!!

Bottom line, MLM's attract people who are gullible and naive. They think they are businessmen/women and yet there nothing but spammers and solicitors. Choose the MLM route and find out fast how much it's hated.

[JaytheCreative]

I have experience with MLM's and, I will say from experience...they are an incredible waste of time.

Okay, so u dont pay an upfront "registration" fee and arent prompted to pay for the products or whatever....HOWEVER, in the system of MLMs, it is STRESSED that u forfeit expenses in "legally-allowable" ways, but worthless ways nonetheless.

Besides, it is literally the reformated and LEGAL form of Pyramids. Checkout MLMWATCH.COM. And even then, with so many MLM's and programs that claim to be MLM's, it is hard to monitor the industry. So, many programs that MLM, could be a Pyramid. The laws are generally the same from state to state except with the difference of smaller more specific policies like registration or whatever.

Oh, and the politics are herendous. My experience was with Quixtar. Im so glad I just experimented with it and not put all my earnings and income into it. Quixtar is so horrible that the Platinums (people at the top of their game in the program) were suing eachother. There was alot of drama between members when I was there.

[Jerimi]

Hey I think you mean

MLMWATCH.ORG

Not being an ass, just wanted to fix that so that some people here might actually read something there

[pura vida]

I believe that a lot of people don´t know who

is in the mlm business.

Do you know whether your Neighbor, your doctor, your banker have a second income from mlm?

I know that a lot of hard working independent people are
in these business. Why? They know that they have to do a little bit more for success then most people know and transpose.

That´s all.

You can love or hate mlm - it´s all the same.
Important is that it´s an successfull business.
Most people in mlm have more than one job in the first time. They work a lot and very hard.
My deepest respect to all these people. Have success!


Best Regards

[agelforums]

Yeah .. I think from the start .. most of you already have a negative perception because there is ALOT of spam, get rich websites, and alot of crap floating around the internet ..

But you need to be the responsible one .. the dedicated and determined one to spend your money wisely, and do your homework and research.

ALOT of people .. probably 90% of the people in MLM or Network Marketing .. dont do this business fulltime.

They do it as a side income .. a passive one .. and hopes of slowly growing a business and then duplicating results

Not many people out there know how to do this business the right way .. because it isnt easy and SO many people try and push this apon people but one of the best things ive learned about MLM is that you have to let it come natural.

You need to have a system in place, and one that you can do in your sleep. Know your business inside and out and make sure that your product or service is truly valued by the customer.

This business is only hard to those people with the wrong mindset and close-minded people. You need to challenge yourself to open up, read alittle, and find out what this business really is.

Pick apart the top leaders and see how they have done it .. because they dont do it on their own.

I feel like alot of you have a cop out excuse for MLM .. and NONE of you have challenged yourself enough to give this a real shot