[BizMan101]

Originally Posted by BenBale

i dislike the idea of MLM, only people getting rich are the guys at the top!

Tho there is one business i have taken a liking to and thats www.agel.com there products are really good and will be a really big seller.

I am thinking of signing up just to get wholesale access to there products and set up a proper business in my country selling the product.

Maybe that isnt very entrepreneur or w/e but it will make money from a small investment.

They just want you to hire people to join there company

the people you hire pay $1000 for the best package, you get $200 of that, plus $5 for every box of the products they buy.

Thats lame, "yeah i will find you a person wanting to pay you $1000 and only take $200 of it"

Fuck that, but if you was just selling there product you could make up to £50 per box profit if you put your mind to it and thats what i intend to do.

I agree with you, and not everyone needs a lotion,potion, needs to loose weight or legal advice but everyone I know drives a car or uses some type of transportation that uses fuel, not to mention all of the goods that are delivered to the consumer.

[Karen]

Originally Posted by BenBale

only people getting rich are the guys at the top!

The only ones getting rich are the ones who are actually doing something.

Karen

[Quaker1234]

Originally Posted by agelforums

I am just curious .. I got alot to speak about on this subject but seems most of this board hates the idea of Network Marketing and MLM.

So I want to raise a discussion on MLM.

Good or bad, everyone give me your thoughts and opinions on it.

Originally Posted by agelforums

Alright .. good posts .. and its exactly what I thought everyone would say.

Just pure hate .. no facts .. no examples .. no testimonials about how you didnt make it ..

So ... Im going to ask again .. Why is MLM so hated?

Dont say spam .. dont say scam .. dont say people at the top ..

I want facts .. truths ..

Because believe it or not .. EVERYTHING in this world is network marketing and you just dont realize it

You asked for thoughts and opinions GOOD OR BAD, but you throw a hissy fit when you get them??

[agelforums]

A hissy fit?

No?

But give me something good as to why you hate it .. not because you think its spam and annoying .. like give facts, truths, stories ...

I have never met ANYONE that hasnt put in alittle work and will now get at least 200-300 more a month .. if not more .. and that number will slowly grow

95% of what goes on in the world is Network Marketing ..word of mouth .. cept this is a business aspect of it where you try to promote.

You dont sit there and sell stuff, you sell an opportunity and a product that can benefit the average consumer.

Think about it .. you told your friend to go to a movie, or they told you .. and you went .. did you pay THEM for recommending you? Or did they pay you because your the one who went and told them to go see it?

I didnt think so .. everything is network marketing, with a few twists .. thats the beauty of it .. you dont have to change your lifestyle, change your past, take a drug test, fill out an application, or work on someone elses time.

You call the shots, you make your own army, you decide when to work.

The world is Network Marketing .. I bet you know SOMEONE who has a rich dad or mom ... and their kids got GREAT JOBS because they know someone who knows someone who knew someone.

So dont sit there and take the easy way out .. and say simple minded stuff like, scam, spam, only people at the top ..

Because that isnt true at all .. Agel has been around for 7 months, and I know people that joined it when it officially launched and I joined 3 months ago and make three times what they make.

So please .. keep the stupid stuff out .. and give me some facts and lets break this down on why you really hate it .. not just a cop out of stupid hate towards MLM / Network Marketing

[asuperincome.com]

Hi All new here, and love the subject of MLM also studdying it for university so this could get interesting, also I am involved in it (check signature).

I know people in 3 different MLMs here in the UK as well as myself, and all 3 of us earn more than our upline. So that dispells the miff that the only people to profit from MLM are the ones "who got in" first

Most MLMs are structured so the rewards go to the ones that do the work.

I have a friend in a company called kleeneze And he earns a lot lot lot more than anyone in his upline, because he has introducted, trainned and developed a lot more people than his upline did, as well as retailing a lot of product. Of course his upline earn from him, but he earns more.

My mlms is also structured in the same way, the ones who work the hardest reep the rewards.

And if your in MLM and your upline earns more, that may well just be because they work harder than you, the amazing thing about MLM is that most sponsors/upline will work with you to help you earn more than them, for two reasons, 1) some of us are genuine and actually like to help people achieve there goals, and 2) if someones downline is earning a lot, they will tell people and they will join and work hard, and if downline is earning lots, the upline will be earning too.

If you do a search for kleeneze you will see that this is a catalogue MLM, and the catalogue works very well here in the UK, (i used to do it so i know) people just put it in the letter box, and collect it off the doorstep with orders averaging a pound a catalogue, so £100 in orders from 100 cats distributed, in this mlm company, a large slice of peoples income is from retailing the product. Helps to prove that MLMs do move product, this is what makes MLM and pyramids different.

In my mlm company I earn a lot more from my lottery customers than I do from my downline at the moment.

Obviously the idea of MLM is to recruit people as well as to retail, and some focus more on recruitment, and some more on the retail.


Did you know that 80% of all direct sales are done through MLM?

Sorry researching MLM for my uni final year project, so enjoy discussions like this.

But not all MLMs are pyramids, and any that are pyramids are normally closed down quickly by the DSA etc.

A few key things you need to do to succed in MLM.

1) Pick a company that is suitable for you. ( a product you could recommend)
2) Pick a sponsor you get on with, someone who will help you.
3) Actually do something. MLM unlike work invloves YOU doing stuff, unlike a job where you turn up and get paid, with MLM you need to work it to see the rewards. This can be a slow process at first but the idea is that over time, you earnings grow as time spent working it decreases.
4) Dont quit, If you do it will never happen.

Speak to many people on MLM and all will have different opinions. Some will have done it and failed, ask them what they did, try to work out why they failed, then ask people who are doing well what they do? Then work out what you need to do, to be successful.

Goal setting does help, small, medium and long term goals. If you achieve one, reward yourself. We all goal set we just dont know it, we aim to pass that driving test, or to get that job etc.

MLM isnt just about making money, its about making friends, helping people help themselves. MLM is all about meeting new people, and its great for self development,as well.

Seriously dont get people who knock MLM look at the alternatives,

A JOB - retirement age goes up and up 60,65,70,75??? And not much of a state pension anymore either after all that. Plus most jobs are pryamids, one boss who earn loads, and the others who earn little.

Your own business- 2/3 of all new business fail, wages to pay, taxes, laws ti comply with,premises,stock,advertising,stress etc.

MLM isnt right for everyone, but seriously the nation needs re-educating, most of my tutors at uni went MLM - thats that pryamid selling ilegal stuff. If it was why would large national banks suggest it, why would tony blair recommend it, why would there be an international body called the DSA regulating it, and why would there be a large number of people earning good to amazing income from it?

If you are prepared to work hard for a few years MLM is great, If you want to get rich for nothing, erm play the lottery or marry a millionaire.

ANYWAY rant over

All the best

Dave.

[Cobrainside]

MLM is not entrepreneuring

[asuperincome.com]

maybe not but it aint the evil some people think it is.

MLM is a serious business alternative.

Question: what would you class franchising as?

[jay26783]

http://www.vandruff.com/mlm.html

The above site breaks down the follies of MLM's pretty clearly. To quote just one point from the article-

"MLMs work by geometric expansion, where you get ten to sponsor ten to sponsor ten, and so on. This is usually shown as an expanding matrix (just don't say "pyramid"!) with corresponding kick-backs at various levels.

The problem here is one of common sense. At a mere three levels deep this would be 1,000 people. There goes the neighborhood! At six levels deep, that would be 1,000,000 people believing they can make money selling. But to whom? There goes the city!"

A successful MLM is ultimately a failing MLM. Confused? Listen- If an MLM were successful in practice, and continued growing, it would inevitably lead to market saturation because everyone would eventually be involved- which means everyone is also buying- which of course means that nobody needs the product because they've already bought- which means you can't sell anymore- which means a successful MLM leads to its own demise.

Of course, it doesn't work that way because eventually, somewhere down the line, people don't sell, and the chain diminishes back to a certain level until new prey are lured into the scheme to extend the chain again. If you get on board early enough, you may be able to sustain your network- but at the cost of those who you take advantage of knowing full well that mathematically, down the line, someone will absolutely and inarguably fail. Of course this is only a very simple and succint argument against MLM- I have too little time to express in full my disapproval of this method of "business."

In my opinion, MLM's are extremely shortsighted and ignore many of the core principles of successful business- such as market saturation and its impact on demand, or managing and controlling the number of salespeople in a specific territory, etc.- and that is why, ultimately, they fail.

[jay26783]

Originally Posted by agelforums

Think about it .. you told your friend to go to a movie, or they told you .. and you went .. did you pay THEM for recommending you? Or did they pay you because your the one who went and told them to go see it?

That's a ridiculous comparison. When you throw money into the equation, you are no longer recommending- you are selling.

If you can make money for recommending a movie, you can damn sure bet more people will be recommending movies. If everybody is recommending all different types of movies in the same manner, how would anybody know which movies are actually good? Consumers would become wary of all the 'rave reviews'- so naturally it becomes a matter of baiting your target in any way you can to see the movie you recommended so that YOU get the paycheck.

That's how MLM's operate. You don't have to like the movie- but give it all the hype you can to get the next guy to watch it and recommend it to others- because it's not about the movie(product), it's about the recommendation(deceptive selling of the idea).

I'd call that pretty shady- and by the way, I would never see a movie you recommended.

[pura vida]

Most people don´t know realy much about mlm.

They listen here a little, listen there ...thats all.
Often people don´t have a look at the economic of
these industrie.
They don´t know enough important facts about it.
It´s a very fast growing industrie.

I wish more people don´t pick up some rubbish and are open minded enough to have a look a these industrie.

[asuperincome.com]

jay26783 Have you ever been in MLM?
If so are you still involved init?

The example gives you a 10x10 structure, to be honest I have never heard of these, all the mlms i know of talk about 5x5. And to be honest, that will never happen. In an ideal world it would be nice, but it wont. Somepeople will find more,some will find less.

And as for market sturation, HELLO, there is a whole world out there, and MLM has been Huge in the USA for ages, and the USA isnt saturated, look at how many HERBAL product MLM companies are in the states.

I am involved in 2 mlms over here in the UK one being e-lottery, and the second being utility warehouse discount club (a discount utilities company) the utility warehouse gives people big discounts on their utilities, and even free utilities.

You forget one of the biggest Advantages MLMs have over the conventional business. They have little costs, so they can either invest more in there products (like hebalife do) or they can pass the savings onto the consumer like utility warehouse do. Utility warehouse has lots of agents, and so far only has 2% of the UK market.

Satuartion in mlm will never happen, as people join, and at the same time people leave it.

Please dont be like everyone else, who sees a few posts slagging off mlm, does a search for MLM scams, and then considers themselfs an expert.

If MLM is so bad why are lawyers,doctors,judges,teachers etc all giving up there jobs for the freedom,income,social life, and flexibility that MLM offers?

[Bobby4]

asuperincome has made some great points...

the thing i found while looking for an mlm to join was the products...if i didnt believe in the products i knew i wouldnt be able to recommend them. there are some company's who are product based.

the reason i was looking in the first place was because of the low cost to start and the potential to earn...in a way my mlm is business training for me while i am in college and also a way to make money to invest in other ventures

[BizMan101]

Originally Posted by Bobby4

asuperincome has made some great points...

the thing i found while looking for an mlm to join was the products...if i didnt believe in the products i knew i wouldnt be able to recommend them. there are some company's who are product based.

the reason i was looking in the first place was because of the low cost to start and the potential to earn...in a way my mlm is business training for me while i am in college and also a way to make money to invest in other ventures

Well stated!!

MLM's that are to be successful will have a great product that will appeal to the masses and when you can offer a money back guarantee well what more could you ask for.

[lisa1979]

The company that asuperincome.com and myself promote offers a 14 day money back trial. Not many can offer that!

Lisa

[jay26783]

Originally Posted by lisa1979

The company that asuperincome.com and myself promote offers a 14 day money back trial. Not many can offer that!

Lisa

Oh wow, that's truly amazing! A whole 14 days!

If you don't eat, shower, or do anything else in life for that 2 weeks, you should have just enough time to get through all of their brainwashing videos and reading material without actually getting to put any of it to use to find out it sucks! Excellent! 14 day money back trial... how awful. Anything respectable has at least a 30 return policy, no questions asked.


Listen, the fact that this thread was even started here suggests that MLM'ers are struggling to convince everyone else how 'great' MLM is, and perhaps are truly trying to convince themselves. If you have to argue with someone about the validity of a business, that's usually a good indication to the contrary.

While I wish you the best of luck in your endeavors, this thread asked for opinions- don't be upset when they are not in line with your own.