[trashjoe]

give me your opinion on this bHIP Global - Home i'ts new to me

[mkhckyeh]

Take a look at the history of this post. Started in May of 2006, it seems that most opinions in the beginning were fairly negative toward MLM's, then as we progress to the end of the thread, more and more people are fronting the concept of MLM business. I would like to make the observation that MLM's have evolved from inventory loading pyramid schemes to one of the most sought after business models in the industry. Why? Because web developers and marketing gurus are creating step by step, easy to use systems that accelerate the earning process. They have found ways to help take the person out of the picture.
More and more people are becoming successful in MLM because of these systems, and it is exciting because the perfect network marketing business plan, after initial setup, should provide a constant flow of income without having to do anything. This is the ultimate goal of any business owner, otherwise you are just self employed.

I know a guy who was into Amway about 20 years ago. He and his wife were committed for a few years and were making a good chunk of change given their effort; about $2500 bucks a month. They were a true success story of traditional network marketing. Then for whatever reason, they got out of the business after a few years...to this day this couple still receives monthly bonus checks for the effort they put in years ago. Of course the amount reduced over time without maintenance (about $25 bucks a month now), but, the point is.. it works.

[XRay]

Originally Posted by mkhckyeh

Take a look at the history of this post. Started in May of 2006, it seems that most opinions in the beginning were fairly negative toward MLM's, then as we progress to the end of the thread, more and more people are fronting the concept of MLM business. I would like to make the observation that MLM's have evolved from inventory loading pyramid schemes to one of the most sought after business models in the industry. Why? Because web developers and marketing gurus are creating step by step, easy to use systems that accelerate the earning process. They have found ways to help take the person out of the picture.
More and more people are becoming successful in MLM because of these systems, and it is exciting because the perfect network marketing business plan, after initial setup, should provide a constant flow of income without having to do anything. This is the ultimate goal of any business owner, otherwise you are just self employed.

I know a guy who was into Amway about 20 years ago. He and his wife were committed for a few years and were making a good chunk of change given their effort; about $2500 bucks a month. They were a true success story of traditional network marketing. Then for whatever reason, they got out of the business after a few years...to this day this couple still receives monthly bonus checks for the effort they put in years ago. Of course the amount reduced over time without maintenance (about $25 bucks a month now), but, the point is.. it works.

Good input mkhckyeh!

The negativity that I have seen on this forum as a new member is really from the lack of objectivity or based on some one else's failure, let alone the less than professional language.

I know people that are still getting whopper checks from work they did ten years ago also!

[LiveWise]

If you get with the right MLM and stick with it, you can do well. There are many people that fail because they don't have a good MLM or product or they give up too quickly. Unfortunately, it is a business and it takes longer to build than one would want and the money doesn't come in as quickly as one would want too.

People need to evaluate the MLM experience per individual company because not all companies are equal. I know lots of people that have suceeded, but I also know lots of people that have lost a lot of money with MLM. Be Careful!!!

Natalie

[youngnfree]

Originally Posted by LiveWise

If you get with the right MLM and stick with it, you can do well. There are many people that fail because they don't have a good MLM or product or they give up too quickly. Unfortunately, it is a business and it takes longer to build than one would want and the money doesn't come in as quickly as one would want too.

People need to evaluate the MLM experience per individual company because not all companies are equal. I know lots of people that have suceeded, but I also know lots of people that have lost a lot of money with MLM. Be Careful!!!

Natalie

I disagree with that they don't have a good MLM or product. I believe that you need a system that can teach the newbie the ropes of doing business. MLM has it's pros and cons. What I like about it is the possiblity of creating an income that contiues to come in month after month for the work you do years ago.

Yes, you should join a company with at least a product that offers value to consumers and an MLM that pays out well. When looking for a company you should find one that has been around for several years because that reduces the risk for the company to all of sudden go out of business. Second if you join this company do the products offer value to the consumer. You need to be able to sell a product that you feel good selling. And ofcourse you need to look at the system in place because that is what is going to decide especially if you are new how fast you will grow if you do grow.

As for Amway, I believe that it is a good company. It has been around for every (since 1959 I think) so do you think there is some success with that company? Ofcourse! The thing is that the longer that company is in business and the larger it gets the more criticism it gets. But you can find negative things about any company, even Wal-Mart. There are hundreds of thousands of reps for amway and it is not easy to keep the integrity of the company. All the blame and negative remarks around the net should not be directed to the company itself, although it is not a perfect company, but to the reps themselves, at least the ones that gave Quixtar/Amway the bad name.

I am sure that the reason why many have failed is because they join someone or a team that all they preach about is to sponsor others. Not how to sponsor others, not how to sell products, not how to create volume. This is very bad. Another thing is that some reps have misrepresented the company. Reps may say something like in order to succeed you need to buy all the cds go to all the meetings etc. Others say you don't need to sell. What!? I am getting into a business that requires no selling? This is bad as well. You need to sell, all business sell something. It is how you sell that matters.

From what I have been seeing Amway/Quixtar is attempting to change this business for the better to clear a little bit of its bad reputation. I think it will be around for a lot longer than others may think.

[Whatisthesecret]

I guess it's time to throw my 2 cents in. Here's the way I see it: You have millions of people out there, including myself, that are just getting by in life because that's what they think they are supposed to do. People don't think they deserve to have the finer things in life because they can't afford them. However, along comes someone that invents a new business opportunity and helps thoiusands out there make a better life for themselves and then we get ridiculed because we want them to have the same things that we have. We know that we'll never have them if we keep dong the same things over and over and over again. We live in the land of the free and home of the opportunity. Answer me this, is not the CORPORATE world just a big MLM, Pyramid, Network marketing scheme anyway. The person at the top makes all the money, you can never get above him/her in the company unless they leave, they get paid for all the efforts of those underneath them. Sound familiar, yeah that's what I thought. So you see, just because we are smarter and more willing to take a risk for the reward than others, doesn't make us bad people. If we can create wealth by working from a computer at home rather than punching a time card from 9-5, and if we can harness the power of millions to work for us rather than just a few employess, then I say we're the ones that are making a better life in this world. We're the ones that are going to help others create a better life for themselves. What the heck is wrong with that. Money is not evil, the LOVE of money is what is evil. If you have unlimited income and can mange it properly then you've got something. Remember this too, GOD is in control of all things, we must decide what to do with what he gives us. If we are greedy then we will be rewarded in that way, with GREED. But if we are generous, helpful, and giving, guess what, you got it! All i'm saying is that a home based business, MLM, pyramid, or network marketing, is not a bad thing if you do the RIGHT thing! That's my 2 cents, take care and GOD Bless
Jason

[ChiTown2222]

MLM is so hated because the vast majority of people within it don’t succeed.

In the past, historically only 3% of MLMers achieved success.

They didn't truly help their downline, and by help I'm not talking about training calls.

They didn't put monetary resources into their downlines success.

In all honesty, I can't blame them, there weren't economic reasons to help their downline. The compensation plans were geared towards making it more beneficial for the guys at the top to help themselves.

This has changed recently, compensation plans are changing and now many sponsors are putting money into their downline's success.

I hope the trend catches on.

[Bgdavid]

Have you ever wondered that if you could just do one thing different, could it really change your life forever? Have you ever thought if you could just have this thing or that thing, that life would be different for you? Is there really one thing that can have so much of an impact on who you are and your ability to have success, that your life will never be the same again?

I know from experience that there is “one thing” that can have a massive affect on your ability to have what you want in this life. I know that this one thing has changed billions of people’s lives and is the secret to success for everyone that uses this one little principle. You might be asking what this could be.

Well, the one little thing, or should I say this one little word, will give you the power to attract whatever you want. Anything that you can possibly dream of is yours for the asking if you do this one little thing. I am sure that all of you are on the edge of your seat waiting to find out what it might be, and when you hear what it is you might say to yourself, “Yeah, I knew that”, and then just brush it off. Now, if you find yourself saying this, then it is very likely that you “Know It, but don’t Do It”.

The one little word or principle that I am referring to has been used by the greatest people that have ever lived. So I’ll stop with the suspense and just tell you. The one word that that has the ability to change your life forever is Gratitude. Now, why is gratitude so important? I asked this question when I got up this morning after I saw a flood of emails from the groups and organizations that I belong to sending out a message of thanksgiving.

Well, let’s run down a list of items that will give you an idea as to what gratitude does.

It is impossible to be negative when you are grateful.

It is impossible to criticize or complain about people or your circumstances with gratitude in your heart.

You can’t feel sad when you are thankful.

It reminds you of all of the great things and people in your life.

It makes you aware of the things that are most important in this life.

It opens up your ability to attract more of what you want, because you appreciate what you already have.

I want to ask you a question. If you gave to a person a gift and they didn’t say “Thank You”, how would that make you feel? Would you keep giving gifts to that person? For most people the answer would be no. I don’t know your spiritual belief, but I am sure that you are aware, that about 95% of the population believes that there is a God or some sort of Supreme being out there. For me I am proud to call myself a Christian and I know that by giving thanks for the great things that I have in my life, I get more great things. I know that it is because I have gratitude for all of it, the good and the bad.

As most of you know, we celebrate Thanksgiving in the United States tomorrow. And for those of you that don’t live here, we want to extend our heartfelt gratitude to you for being a part of the Inner Circle and the Reverse Funnel System. We know that without you nothing could happen. We are especially grateful to the people that have just gotten started and want to congratulate you on taking the first step of this incredible journey.

We know that there are many of you out there that serve the Inner Circle members on a daily basis, and you give and give and give, and none of that gets overlooked. Thank you so much for donating your time to help aspiring entrepreneurs learn how to take their businesses to the next level.

Those of you who will be celebrating Thanksgiving with us, have a wonderful weekend and enjoy this time with your family.

Happy Thanksgiving!

[GregK]

Hey agelforum thanks for adding the thread. I am going to try to be as nice as possible in defending MLM/network marketing.

1. People say its makes you into a salesman and not an entrepreneur. WOW! What do you think an entrepreneur does? Well, he/she basically sells the idea of his/her project to investors, to potential employees, to the consumers, etc. Everyone is a saleman in a way. You want to pick up a girl or a guy what do you have to do? You have to sell yourself. How do you get employees to follow you or investors to fund you? well sorry to say, you have to sell yourself. It's part of business. Yeah there are dishonest and pushy salemen, but doesn't mean being a salesman is horrbile.

2. People in this thread talk about scams and pyramid schemes. In any industry there are scams. You just need to do your research into the company and their background. All common sense. You all talk about pyramid schemes. What do you think you are creating when you startup your entrepreneur projects and start hiring people. Hmmm well you are at the top and you pay people to make you more money. So basically the people you hire are on the bottom only making a small percent of what you make. But you know what? I don't call that a scam. I applaud you for taking that risk and your employees chose to be employees and not business owners. Great MLM's have qualifications set up that makes it fair all across the board. Even at the top. If you dont work and produce results, you don't enjoy the money flowing in. As I said in another post, do your own research into mulitple MLM companies.

3. People have said that MLM preys on people that do not belong in business. Well at some point in all our lives, we didn't deserve to be in business. It's a learning process and you have to pay the price in order to be successful. I am sure 99% of us all had a job at some point where we learned about the business we were in and saw how it was run. Never tell someone they do not belong in a business. Some MLM's do prey on people and then go bankrupt or screw their people over. But the great ones are still in business becuase they do not treat their people like a number rather a priority.

4. My last point is this. If this makes you angry or upset, Ill give you my number or email address where you can vent. People who say it's a scheme, scam, illegal, or it doesn't work are ignorant. You have either been involved in a bad MLM and made a poor judgement off that or you bought the opinion of Unlce Joe or cousin Mary who are living pay check to pay check. Open your mind. That's why you are invovled in this forum because you are open-minded and entrepreneurial.

Advanatges of the great network marketing companies:

1. Gives the average person a chance to make it in this world with a low investment and low risk.
2. The tax advantages are great for a home-based business owner
3. Opens you up as a business person and challenges you to expand your comfort zone. It involves networking and calling on people to build a relationship.
4. Helps you become a better sales person. You learn how to ask the right questions and to share your vision in order to create a transaction.
5. You can build an international and multi million dollar organization there the time and efforts of yourself and your team
6. Helping people is the greatest feeling in the world. Network marketing allows you to coach and train people to achieve their financial goals.


I have plenty to say, but I will stop there. For those of you who still think its a scam and that it doesnt work or its unfair, thats cool. You are entitled to your opinion. However, do not ruin it for someone who really desires to change the quality of their life. This is called NetWORK marketing not NetWISH marketing. You need create a consistent work ethic and develop some thick skin to combat the attacks in order to be successful. It's not meant for everyone, but if you have a burning desire and you take action you will be successful in the industry.

I wish you all well on your businesses whether you are in network marketing or not.


I am PROUD to be a network marketer. And yes that's my website for my company below. You can click it if you want but be careful, it might be a scam .

[rob2009]

Wow! This thread is still going on?

I was really active before, left for 3 months, and now that Im back this thread is still one of the top threads.

lol.

[Travlen]

Originally Posted by LiveWise

If you get with the right MLM and stick with it, you can do well. There are many people that fail because they don't have a good MLM or product or they give up too quickly. Unfortunately, it is a business and it takes longer to build than one would want and the money doesn't come in as quickly as one would want too.

People need to evaluate the MLM experience per individual company because not all companies are equal. I know lots of people that have suceeded, but I also know lots of people that have lost a lot of money with MLM. Be Careful!!!

Natalie

This is so true!!!

[ChiTown2222]

Yea, very true, if you pick the wrong MLM you can lose alot of money, thats another reason its hated so much.

Also, many times sponsors give false promises of helping you succeed, people get disillusioned and quit the business then bad mouth the MLM industry,

Finding the right sponsor/team is just as crucial as finding the right product/company.

But as other have said... there's lot of money to be made

[Caine2978]

I am new to the forums and very interested in finding a business to get into. I have tried a couple MLM's before but were not sucessfull. I am looking for something my brother-in-law and I can get into together without much upfront expenses. I have been looking at the sites that are in some of your signatures and I am interested in some of them but trying to decide which is the best one. Please let me know of a good one to start out with, I'm not really interested in buying leads so I really don't want a system like that. PM me if you have a decent system that may work for someone who is dedicated.

[RobWorldVentures]

Honestly, I thought the same way as most in the beginning of this thread, however I have recently read some books by some amazing individuals that say, "If I had to start over again, I would probably go the Network Marketing way." That was said by Robert Kiyosaki. Also Donald Trump recommends Network Marketing if you are serious about it.

You can't think of it as a "get rich quick" program, otherwise you will be dissapointed. If you know nothing about Network Marketing, read up about it. I recommend books like "Your first year in Network Marketing" and pretty much anything by Harvard business professor, Charles King.

I have been involved in Network Marketing for 3 months now with World Ventures and can honestly say that I am learning a ton. I am now 100% sure that I will be successful at it one day and also believe that I have found the right company to do it with. I have a lot to learn, but having the belief is one of the first steps.

Good luck to everyone in all your endeavors. I truly believe you will succeed if you just believe in yourself.

Rob
World Ventures Independent Representative

[Check-m]

MLM IS A GOOD THING!
It teaches you financial education and gives you financial experience for a low price.
When franchises first started everyone thought that it was a scam that was doomed to be justified. Now look at it. People who first got into the franchise of mcdonalds and starbucks are now millionairs.
People who say MLM's are scams are just the average middle class investors who have no real entrepreneur experience or background.
This website defines entrepreneurship very clearly
'"one who undertakes."' The term Entrepreneur is used to refer to anyone who undertakes the organization and management of an enterprise involving independence and risk as well as the opportunity for profit."
An MLM provides this to the beginning investor.