[j_jinson]

Learn how to make 13% on your money. We have been working on a program for 30 years, and have been perfecting it. Now we have it perfected.

If you put your money in the bank, you will be losing money. If you put it into the housing market, you most likely will gain money, but only if you hold for many years and then you are looking at around 6% per year, on average. If you put your money into the stock market, even if you know what you are doing, you most likely will lose a lot and gain a lot, but will you have the stomach to ride that roller coaster?

If you want to know how to make 13% per year on your money, year over year, contact me via email and I will give you the details.

dawsonian22@hotmail.com

~Matt~

[AndrewB]

You worked on a program for 30 years to find the answer?

Here's the answer for less than a minute's worth of reading. Investments. My company allows people to access high interest earning investments for low start up amounts when the other companies turn you away if you have anything less than $10,000 (sometimes 10x that amount). Mutual Funds, that's the key.

A.

[Peter E]

In the UK many banks offer 12% on your money if held for a year or more.

Risk free 12% is fairly reasonable. With the added bonus of the falling US$ you could make gains in excess of 13% without risk.

Just a thought.

[Sam Barona]

Add to that average returns from Forex trading at 40% per year using leveraged trading. 13% is rather lack luster.

[j_jinson]

I appreciate your comments. I am not trying to be rude here, but are any of you doing better with your own money? There are a lot of people who say they can do this or make that, but it mostly is all talk from my undertsanding.

Mutual Funds are good, I will admit, but they also have lots of fees and require a lot of money to start usually. The problem is, the commissions usually eat all of your profits before you see gains. Compounding interest is the most powerful thing in the world, so if you start eating your gains with fees and commissions, the power starts to fade.

There is no quick money in this world. That is why it took 30 years to find out how to do this right. Not one minute and tell me what I already know about mutual funds.

If people could make 40%, people wouldn't be jumping out of windows when they go belly-up in the market. It is not as easy as people make it sound, and there is always a risk. Don't lie to yourself.

[shawnman19]

Go to Prosper.com and you can make 20% easy by being a lender. I do it with my savings that I don't have tied up in other investments. You get paid out monthly two so you can reinvest your money every month and you end up making more like 25%-30% a year on your money. Just make sure you don't lend all your money to one person incase they default on there loan.

Check the numbers though and the default % on prosper.com loans is like 0.5% or something really small.

[shawnman19]

Originally Posted by j_jinson

Mutual Funds are good, I will admit, but they also have lots of fees and require a lot of money to start usually. The problem is, the commissions usually eat all of your profits before you see gains. Compounding interest is the most powerful thing in the world, so if you start eating your gains with fees and commissions, the power starts to fade.

Mutual Funds are for "Regular People" not investors. Trade stocks, options and/or futures. Most mutual funds are more intersted in getting more of your money then the performance that they provide to you for what you pay them.

[Sam Barona]

You're pitching the wrong crowd. Mutual funds are an investment vehicle for those that are averse to risk, or simply too lazy to phone a broker; entrepreneurs do not fit this in the slightest. Starting up a business is as high risk and as high involvement as you can get.

You are not being rude, just s little short sighted. Forex does return this on a yearly basis, I was a Forex broker for years in London with CMC Plc and delivered this as standard; of course there is risk, but that is why the returns are higher, to compensate for the risk. My biggest ROI was 12% on one days trade for a client investing USD 30M. this was not he figure at the end of the year, because despite how good your reports, your analysis and your instinct, you're always going to have bad days.

I take great exception at your mention of people jumping out of windows;they took risks, they lost, but you trying to bring that as the main outcome of investing in high liquidity markets like Forex, or other financial derivatives is in poor taste at best. for some of those individuals that was the final straw after divorce and losing custody battles. Their career in the markets was just their last hope.

You are better off with a much older crowd that is ready to hedge their investment portfolios with a little more safety. But why do mutual funds instead of high cap stocks with a little touch of bonds to add some safety in to the mix? after all, that is all that mutual funds do, they invest money for the non-savvy and charge for the pleasure. they get an average return of 25% on other people's money and hand over only 13% for their advice, which only follows the market makers anyways.

Besides all this, why trust your money to a new starter when there are high performing funds like Jupiter offering better yields, and with a robust reputationa nd investment strategy to boot?

Just my opinion

[j_jinson]

Just so you are all aware. I wasn't pitching mutual funds, that was a response to AndrewB comment.

Of course anyone can make 12% on one days trade, but how much are you risking doing so and how many losing days did you have to acheive that.

Actually, I am sick of hearing about what people think or say they make in the market. It's just not true. You have a couple of great runs and you think you are a guru when in fact if you took the whole year's returns you may have come out even or a litle ahead. If you can do what you say you can do, then you would be one of the greatest investors of all time and would be working for some of the top companies in the world because they would all want you.

[davep]

I just want to get the #'s right. You are offering advice for people to make 13% a year?

This 13% number as posted above is average to low. Even Minus fees and commission. It's just not that big of a number to move money that is backed my large institutions to someone over the internet.

To be fair do you offer something else? Like guarantees, anything else that would make your 13% better than a mutual funds?

davep

[Sam Barona]

Read the thread jinson, the average yield i delivered for my clients was 40% after all good and bad days where factored in.

If you don't think that this is true, then you are as deluded as your thinking that 13% return before taxes and inflation is something to shout about. Grow up! just because you havent experienced it, nor have knowledge of it doesnt mean jack.

I did work for a top company in leveraged money markets, CMC Plc, whose owner, Peter Cruddas has won many prizes and is now a Sterling Billionaire. However, although outstanding, my returns werent unique; I did get promoted, but that does not make me a guru, just someone who knows what they are talking about and who didn't waste 30 years foolishly to think that they discovered cold water.

if you cant take criticism, dont go public and save your self the embarrassment

Sam

[Sam Barona]

Oh, and by the way; this is a thread from another person with money markets experience, albeit in derivatives:

$10 Billion Trader, looking for trading capital