[Young Spark]

Originally Posted by Xanifur

No sir. You need to go read some books and stay out of fantasy land. I work with dropshippers that charge no membership/annual fees. With doba or any "dropshipper" you find in the search engines, you will get marked up prices with fees.

You all can go work with your middlemen, but not me. I'm getting tens of thousands of products, with no membership fees. All I needed was a 20$ Sellers permit. Every wholesaler I work with is a dropshipper, and they accept credit cards and business checks.

Works for me. Get legal or get cheated. DO YOUR RESEARCH PLEASE.

You are quite the character if I may say so. Allow me to address a few things.

1... as you emphasize, your posting a REFERRAL LINK. And in addition to that, does it really make sense to post it up twice... ridiculous if you ask me, your desperate to get some sales.

Need I also say... your signature (promoting same item listed TWICE in first post/topic.) Get a clue.

And you speak so negative of Doba and every other dropshipper on how they charge for membership fee's... well sorry to break it down to you buddy, but fact is... you don't have proof that they are not good enough for anyone else to use, so your "senseless accusations" are as cheap as a dime (and yet you have the nerve to tell me to do some research, try your own advice pal.) In short... no proof = accusation/assumption.

And you say people like Chris Malta, Skip McGrath and Sydney Johnston would agree with what you said, as well as eBay Live. Let's talk eBay for a second, if you haven't took notice, eBay actually ENDORSES Doba.com --- so therefore, how could you compare eBay dropshippers and wholesalers to that of a dropshipping company that eBay actually takes time to endorse?

NEXT: http://www.doba.com/company/pressroom/news.html --- Read it and weep, really, I know damn well all of them aren't liers... so your basically saying that all of the reviews these companies and media staff have made are biased.

Originally Posted by Xanifur

I think a part of me just died inside. Boo-hoo for me, right? Wrong. I'm going to do things right. I'm going to be educated about what I'm getting into while countless others fall for the traps.

And do you know what your "I'm going to do things my way" attitude is going to bring... 1 word... failure. You seriously got to take tips and advice, believing in your motives will only throw you deeper in the "failure" hole.

Originally Posted by Xanifur

1.) If they charge you and upfront or membership fees, they are NOT a real wholesaler.
2.) If they make claims of income potential they are NOT a real wholesaler.
3.) If they make claims of "16,000 Items Ready For You" or something of that nature, they are NOT a real wholesaler.
4.) If they do not ask for a Tax ID # they are NOT a real wholesaler.
5.) If they guarantee your success, they are NOT a real wholesaler.

B.S. to all except one. If a dropshipper guarantee's success, its surely a possibility. There are either 1 of 2 results that will happen, Success or Failure and we all can consult to the fact that results will vary... IF YOU ARE WILLING to actually do your due dilligence. Therefore success is a possible guarantee.

What kind of fact is: If they don't request Tax I.D. #, then they are not a real wholesaler... I'm not even going to comment, just laugh at this one. You need to do some serious research... if your a sole-proprietor, you use your SSN... so is there really a reason why you have to provide a Tax ID #?

The only one that I agree probably would be true is 3... I'm not fond of these types of "get-rich-quick-schemes."

Now... if it says a possibility for income potential... then it is a possibility. If executed right, you can be successful so how the hell can you sit there and say that they could be lieing about a "POSSIBILITY" statement.

If they charge you an upfront or membership fee... they are fake, we already know what my response to this is... garbage. Face it: These people charge for the membership because they are a reputable company... if they were not getting many people, do you think they'd charge new members... not likely.

Now I am not saying WorldWide Brands isn't reputable... but this is nothing more then a SPAM post with some information that is nothing more then (as I first atated) --- opinionated... get a clue man and as it was told... get some respect before throwing out SPAM posts...

[Xanifur]

I never said you can't make money with doba, I'm saying it will cost you in fees. Doba are not factory authorized wholesalers, pure and simple, and that will result in a lower profit margin. I can see you have little to no retail experience.

I respect your perseverance... we have quite a good debate going on here =D


Now listen up. Worldwide Brands (WWB) are the only publisher of wholesaler and dropshipper information certified by ebay. They speak at eBay Live, and host a couple product sourcing radio shows including Enterpreneur Magazine radio and eBay radio.

They have TONS of free information and e-books about how to start you business off on the right foot to maximize profits by working with real wholesalers.


You need a Sellers permit, also referred to as a Tax ID because REAL wholesalers will not work with the general public. Fake wholesalers are happy with your SSN but to work with a real wholesaler you MUST get a "Doing Business As" license (DBA) from your local government. This would be your "Sole Properitor" status you spoke of. I know, because I've done the process.

[Xanifur]

I can see you are not that big into reading, so I have some audio for your entertainment. This is a 4 part segment of what I've been trying to explain to you.:

http://wbi3.worldwidebrands.com/show...ent1092506.mp3

http://wbi3.worldwidebrands.com/show...ent2092506.mp3

http://wbi3.worldwidebrands.com/show...ent3092506.mp3

http://wbi3.worldwidebrands.com/show...ent4092506.mp3

[Young Spark]

Yes, a true good debate, but how do you know I don't like to read... I mean after all, I did go through this whole topic by reading... should tell something.

Here is what I am saying, I knew about the entire DBA thing as I've been there myself as well. And assuming that a real wholesaler will not work with the general public is (once more) another assumption. Real Wholesalers will work with anybody now-a-days... MANUFACTURERS won't work with the general public.

Your persistence to prove a point is well acknowledged, and this is a good debate but I think I am going to end it here as we have both said alot, nothing is going to change and there is absolutely no points being made here but that one person believes the opposite of the other. Simple... and with that, I am through with this debate.

Thank you...

[Xanifur]

Well, you know how it goes, everyone has a philosophy. No hard feelings bro.

Maybe we can argue on some other topics later on. Looking forward to it. these debates really bring out a lot of info to people.

Later.

[Young Spark]

I agree... best of luck to ya and ya ventures... no hard feelings

[syia]

wholesale lot auction? but it will still be in the same price state in the bit right?

[Saiduchi]

Originally Posted by Xanifur

Well, you know how it goes, everyone has a philosophy. No hard feelings bro.

Maybe we can argue on some other topics later on. Looking forward to it. these debates really bring out a lot of info to people.

Later.

Yes it definitely is. I learned a lot from both of you about this. But as for some of us, we are not residing in U.S. or Europe, so we have our limitations to pursue in this field.

[thxebay]

young spark

wholesalers need business forms, tax id's, business licenses....
the real wholesalers do need this information for TAX purposes, why? because they, the wholesalers do not charge you tax, you then sell the item to someone, then you have to charge tax....

wholesalers, do not work with anyone......its the middle men AFTER the wholesalers that call themselves, the source, or the wholesaler which dont require any tax info...why? cuz their charging you tax for it already.....membership fee's? for what? that cuts into your pay....real companies dont monetize the internet like that man...they make profit on real world products....

so many noobs kept asking how its done the pros were like...woa....we have a way to show them EASY STEP BY STEP,..blah blah, lets make money off them by providing a website with good prices from real wholesalers.....okay, hats off to that right?

well, big sites like doba, and worldwidebrands....what are they really making their cash on? think about it....the memberships...so they market it...and do really a good job at it...so what happens? lots of people join, the market gets saturated......thats why u hear the word niche so much nowadays....the markets are getting saturated as more people are learning how to make money on the web....so
its getting harder, to make cash off those sites...
i personally have had no luck with doba....worldwidebrands i did find a good niche, but it didnt make me a millionaire...haha
anyways i keep rambeling...not to piss anyone off but i feel like a have lots to share

[ChrisMono]

Originally Posted by Young Spark

To throw something in, I wasn't even wasting my time reading the original post because the fact is that Doba.com is a dropshipper and note a wholesaler. Wholesale and Dropshipping are absolutely two different things and for that reason... Doba.com shouldn't be up there. They don't wholesale items out, they are a service that allows you to sell their items and make any difference in the seller's upmarking.

So just because they charge a membersihp fee doesn't mean they are false, once again, comparing your 1 negative comment about Doba.com (seeing how you listed it) is false compared to the hundreds that many other report positive feedback.

If you ask me, this post is more opinionated then factual information.

BTW... as Versas said, is there a reason why your promoting something that sounds so much like a commercial item... I'm beginning to think your formatting the same way a SPAMMER does... the post sounds like information by deflecting another company, but promoting your own or one that may be an "affiliation."

+1

I was taking it seriously until I saw the affiliate link...