Starting Cleveland's One and Only After Hours Night Spot

**Socialite** · 06-23-2010 03:34 PM

Looking for additional investors, maybe angel investors, not necessarily open to partnerships but will discuss if opportunity presents itself. Business has high possiblity to generate profits fast and consistently due to the market and specificity of club. NO competition for this product in current market nor forseeible future competition opening any time soon. Additionally, with future prospects of casino construction in city of Cleveland, my business has ability to thrive under present and upcoming conditions. Feel free to ask questions.

**rogercbryan** · 06-23-2010 03:42 PM

Yikes... do a little research there are plenty of after hours spots in Cleveland.. lived there for 5 years while going to school. We hit 2 to 5 different ones every month. Many do not last because they fail to offer anything special to the visitors. If you can come up with something different to get people to come more then once you may have something... but you will not be the only one in Cleveland.

**Socialite** · 06-23-2010 03:53 PM

"After Hours" as in 2am-6am, sorry should have clarified

**Socialite** · 06-23-2010 04:02 PM

^in which there is a need for in the Cleveland market, all bars and current night spots close at about 2 am, maybe 2:30 am on "good" nights, leaving masses of people on the curbsides not desiring to go home yet with no where to go...believe me this has been researched with public polls and personal experiences.

**rogercbryan** · 06-23-2010 06:31 PM

Again there are tons of these places... not sure what makes you think that there is not. Most are small and low key as larger ones often fail. There was one in Parma on Pearl.. another in Cleveland on W150th... There was one over by what is it called now... Saddle Ridge.. The flats used to have one.. There is one in Brunswick off 303... there all over the place... ask around I'm sure some of your friends will be able to rattle off a few. I left Cleveland in 2005 so I'm a bit out of the loop now... but these places are open in every city and I'm only talking about the legal ones.. If you want to talk 'illegal' (selling alcohol after 1:45am) I can name a few that are still open... in fact was there last month for my brothers bday.. right on 150th near the airport

**rogercbryan** · 06-23-2010 06:32 PM

By the way... this doesn't mean you shouldn't move forward with your plans... just don't go advertising that you are the only one because you will not be.

**Socialite** · 06-23-2010 07:23 PM

You are partially correct there are some "later night spots" in surrounding suburbs, what we are bringing however is "one and only" a posh, upscale ultralounge which is in walking distance of w6th (in the flats), a club that is a mirror of the miami scene (decor, presentation, atmosphere) and strictly playing only dance, trance and house music as opposed to the cleveland standard of top 40 remixes. In my opinion, clevelands downtown nightlife consists of "bars" with a little space for dancing, on the opposite end of the spectrum we will be a dance floor with a little space for bars. Since traveling around and seeing what other big cities offer and then returning home I was disappointed that clevelanders cant get a true hardcore dance experience and feel as though it is much needed here, and with our schedule and setup we're almost a legit rave scene mixed with south beach luxury. In addition cleveland kind of has a divide between the gay and straight community I'm hoping with this idea I can bring everyone together who like to feel the beat and enjoy others who do so as well, modeling myself after the late studio 54, which blended celebrity, gay and the run of the mill average joe (be it the average joe was with above average attractiveness).

**rogercbryan** · 06-27-2010 06:19 PM

Originally Posted by Socialite

You are partially correct there are some "later night spots" in surrounding suburbs, what we are bringing however is "one and only" a posh, upscale ultralounge which is in walking distance of w6th (in the flats), a club that is a mirror of the miami scene (decor, presentation, atmosphere) and strictly playing only dance, trance and house music as opposed to the cleveland standard of top 40 remixes. In my opinion, clevelands downtown nightlife consists of "bars" with a little space for dancing, on the opposite end of the spectrum we will be a dance floor with a little space for bars. Since traveling around and seeing what other big cities offer and then returning home I was disappointed that clevelanders cant get a true hardcore dance experience and feel as though it is much needed here, and with our schedule and setup we're almost a legit rave scene mixed with south beach luxury. In addition cleveland kind of has a divide between the gay and straight community I'm hoping with this idea I can bring everyone together who like to feel the beat and enjoy others who do so as well, modeling myself after the late studio 54, which blended celebrity, gay and the run of the mill average joe (be it the average joe was with above average attractiveness).

You are planning on doing all this for an after hours spot? You sound like a bit of dreamer... you don't want to try to combine different segments of people.. there is a reason they do not mix well already. You are not going to change social norms... so don't waste your money trying. There is little 'celebrity' in Cleveland so that's not going to work either. The club you are talking about opened up in the W25th area back in 2002... lasted almost three whole years. They brought in big DJs from Miami, NYC, and LA... I has just moved to Cleveland from SOCAL so I loved the place... the problem was they spent to much.. had to much debt and once the initial novelty wore off no one wanted to go...

I've researched bars and clubs (and strip clubs) in Cleveland for years. The ones that make the most money are mom-pops dive bars in the south suburbs. There is a place called the 'sip-n-post' in NR.. the owners make a killing.. while all the club owners go broke.

You sound like you want the 'club life' or the ownership life that you think comes with this... That is not the profitable way to approach it. Cleveland is a dead city with little to no chance of being revitalized. Unless you are sitting on $500K in cash I would stay away from this all together.. then again if you have $500K in all cash I'd still stay away.. but at least if you didn't you would be well enough capitalized to make it through the first year or so.

Give me an old run down bar with a great marketing plan... great drink specials.. and decent food and I'll show you a place that makes money year after year. Show me a bar that goes for all the glitz and glamor and I'll show you some broke owners...

**Socialite** · 06-27-2010 08:55 PM

is cleveland currently dead? yes, does it have potential?, definately..also i completely disagree with your opinion of non mixed communities, the problem with cleveland is that the lines drawn between them are very blatant, look at larger more vibrant cities, people are more equally co-mingled than they are here, it can be done, the key is not whose coming in but whose not allowed to come in. As for being a dreamer, i will gladly accept that label, i do have a vision, for what a dance club should be, in reality i do think my plans would be better suited for an underground club, however those are what dont last and my design and ideas have the possibility of standing time so i think it is more prudent to go the "legit" route, i feel as though my words are painting a grandiose ideal that you may think is over doing it in this type market, but actually despite what im interpreting this place actually will be more quaint, im not looking to open the 20,000 sq ft dance palace with 5 bars but actually a compact version of that luxurious, rave-like party and bring it to a city that needs something fresh

**rogercbryan** · 06-28-2010 04:04 PM

Originally Posted by Socialite

is cleveland currently dead? yes, does it have potential?, definately..also i completely disagree with your opinion of non mixed communities, the problem with cleveland is that the lines drawn between them are very blatant, look at larger more vibrant cities, people are more equally co-mingled than they are here, it can be done, the key is not whose coming in but whose not allowed to come in. As for being a dreamer, i will gladly accept that label, i do have a vision, for what a dance club should be, in reality i do think my plans would be better suited for an underground club, however those are what dont last and my design and ideas have the possibility of standing time so i think it is more prudent to go the "legit" route, i feel as though my words are painting a grandiose ideal that you may think is over doing it in this type market, but actually despite what im interpreting this place actually will be more quaint, im not looking to open the 20,000 sq ft dance palace with 5 bars but actually a compact version of that luxurious, rave-like party and bring it to a city that needs something fresh

I'll end my postings on this thread here... so you think you can change the deeply embedded social norms of a Midwest city with a club? You just went from Dreamer to Naive... You can't even get the people from the West and East Sides to get along... how the hell are you planning on changing the negative perception against the gay community in a steel belt city? I'm sorry but you really are off the mark now...

Could your basic idea work... well yes people open up bars and clubs all the time that work out (20% I think make it 5 years). Thinking that you are going to change people with your club makes it sound like you're doing a little to much extacy on the weekends.. Not sure what else I can say... except please give me your address so I can send you a post card in the mail 24 months after you open your doors... it will have a simple note on the front 'you didn't listen' and on the back 'I told you so'...

Go back to the drawing board and apply sound business principles instead of idealogical mumbojumbo garbage..