Anyone Have a Little Extra Investment $$$?

[NaMiNaTeR]

Hello All,

I'm An experienced Stock/Forex/Options trader who is looking for some startup capital to begin trading Stock Options again... I have been paying close attention to options for the last few weeks and have been reading for hours and hours on end every single day on how to manage risk/high rewards through trading options, I have also been noting some hypothetical trades.

I have hypothetically made 60% in the last week.
technically if I can keep that up, doubling a thousand dollars every week for a few months I would have about a million dollars after trading commissions.

that however would seem like an extremely, extremely, ridiculous return. and at very high risk. if continuing to "go all in" on trades.
If I can get a little money to play with from you guys I would probably trade at 10-25% capital (unless I was 90-100% sure in the movement I'm trading, I may use up to 50%) So that it would be impossible to lose most money on one bad trade...

I plan on using tax returns to fund myself when I receive them in a few weeks. I am not "guaranteeing" anything like some people that post on here, I am simply giving one a chance to invest with me, (perferably around 1,000) you can send me a private message if you have more/less and would like to get involved)

If you know anything about options trading, it is comparable to trading stocks except it costs about 1/10th to do it, you can make 10 times more, and comparably, more risky.

I suggest if one has a tax return coming, why not try to make something of it? If/When my account balance gets too high, I may choose to withdrawal your principal and send them back to you as a gift, as I continue to trade with your "free money" and cut you a check whenever you request it.

Everything will be documented as per in my account, and on paper file,
however you will need to sign a risk disclosure agreement stating that in the event that your money is lost, I will not be considered liable, as my money will be lost as well.

Don't get me wrong, this is a risky investment arena, however I'm confident in my ability to perceive risks/rewards and take advantage of the market whether it is moving up or down I can make money.

I will not set a %, such as 20% a month (very possible), mostly because the fact that the funds will be tied up in a brokerage account, some option trades are longer terms and take a month to expire, and also because I feel I can and will make much higher than 20% a month. so I will give you a fair cut of the gains. and believe me, if it all goes as I intend it to, you will think it will be a hell of a lot more than fair.

Peace and Prosperity to all,
I will consider all investments large or small,
certain terms may be discussed/changed, nothing is set in stone.
this is my first attempt to acquire new funds for this Idea, and will most likely be the only one. If anyone has a little disposable income, why not?

Thanks!
-Aaron

[BusinessAdviser]

Hello All,

I'm An experienced Stock/Forex/Options trader who is looking for some startup capital to begin trading Stock Options again... I have been paying close attention to options for the last few weeks and have been reading for hours and hours on end every single day on how to manage risk/high rewards through trading options, I have also been noting some hypothetical trades.

First you say you're an "experienced" options trader looking "to begin trading Stock Options again." Then you go on to describe the basis for your knowledge of options as having been "paying close attention to options for the last few weeks and ... reading for hours and hours on end every single day on how to manage risk/high rewards through trading options," and keeping track of "some hypothetical trades."

Are these few weeks of paying attention to, reading about, and keeping track of a few hypothetical trades on the options market really your basis for claiming to be an "experienced" options trader? I'm not trying to tear you apart. I'm just trying to get an idea of what you mean when you claim to be an "experienced" trader.

I have hypothetically made 60% in the last week.
technically if I can keep that up, doubling a thousand dollars every week for a few months I would have about a million dollars after trading commissions.

Technically, if you can keep it up, won't you actually...still have $0? You're making "trades" without any account for the risk involved in each, since there's no risk to making "hypothetical" trades.

And investing isn't merely about maximizing returns. It's about maximizing returns relative to the risk involved. Thus, your hypothetical trades mean nothing.

that however would seem like an extremely, extremely, ridiculous return. and at very high risk. if continuing to "go all in" on trades.
If I can get a little money to play with from you guys I would probably trade at 10-25% capital (unless I was 90-100% sure in the movement I'm trading, I may use up to 50%) So that it would be impossible to lose most money on one bad trade...

No, but it would be easy to do so with just a couple trades. To really diversify, you need to be spread across at least about 30 different options.

I plan on using tax returns to fund myself when I receive them in a few weeks. I am not "guaranteeing" anything like some people that post on here, I am simply giving one a chance to invest with me, (perferably around 1,000) you can send me a private message if you have more/less and would like to get involved)

Why don't you invest your money first and show what you can do with some real money? THAT would impress me.

If you know anything about options trading, it is comparable to trading stocks except it costs about 1/10th to do it, you can make 10 times more, and comparably, more risky.

It's nothing like trading stocks. Keep reading.

I suggest if one has a tax return coming, why not try to make something of it? If/When my account balance gets too high, I may choose to withdrawal your principal and send them back to you as a gift, as I continue to trade with your "free money" and cut you a check whenever you request it.

Why would you ever choose to do that? That doesn't make much sense for you, so I would really have to question your financial accumen.

Everything will be documented as per in my account, and on paper file,
however you will need to sign a risk disclosure agreement stating that in the event that your money is lost, I will not be considered liable, as my money will be lost as well.

Haha. I think one would have to be an idiot to try to claim that they didn't understand the risk involved with this "opportunity," regardless of a risk disclosure agreement.

Don't get me wrong, this is a risky investment arena, however I'm confident in my ability to perceive risks/rewards and take advantage of the market whether it is moving up or down I can make money.

What is the basis for your confidence?

I will not set a %, such as 20% a month (very possible), mostly because the fact that the funds will be tied up in a brokerage account, some option trades are longer terms and take a month to expire, and also because I feel I can and will make much higher than 20% a month. so I will give you a fair cut of the gains. and believe me, if it all goes as I intend it to, you will think it will be a hell of a lot more than fair.

If I purchase a Powerball ticket, I do so because I intend to win it, but what are the odds that I actually will? That's great that you intend for it to go well, but that doesn't mean a whole lot.

Peace and Prosperity to all,
I will consider all investments large or small,
certain terms may be discussed/changed, nothing is set in stone.
this is my first attempt to acquire new funds for this Idea, and will most likely be the only one. If anyone has a little disposable income, why not?

Thanks!
-Aaron

Why not?! Why?

[NaMiNaTeR]

Man, idk if I can even remember some of your ludacris questions, first of all, I have been trading stocks for 5 years, options for about a year, and forex for a year or two also, I was stupid to think that I could make money without knowing how some of these things work. now that I do, I feel that I can be profitable.

as far as you contradicting me when I said that trading options is much like stocks. I meant it. don't be a prick and say that it isnt, I am Trading STOCK OPTIONS. that means that basically the options (of the stock that I am trading) (particularly QQQQ) nasdaq 100, is that if nasdaq is down option calls is down, puts are up, or if nasdaq is up, calls are up and puts are down, so yes I meant it when I said that stocks are similar to trading options.

I have read alot of replys from you about other people. NO I am not asking for $600,000 but simply a few hundred dollars because it does not require alot of money for one to start trading options. and that is to add to my money when I add it in a few weeks.

I AM NOT trying to make money, or take money from people on this forum for my own good, I AM trying to help you all, and produce an extremely large profit margin for my investors, NO I do NOT need any money from anyone. I ONLY posted this incase people in the entrepreneurial business would like a substantial amount of ROI (Return on Investment).( usually people would like more money... its common sense)

I DID NOT post this here thinking that a single soul would believe that a person could make this kind of return and offer to help people... But I am. and I'm saying:

TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT This will be my last post on this forum, I am not spamming, or trying to scam anyone. I am simply an investor that is looking to help people out very fast in short term.

Whatever it is worth, I do NOT want to argue with anyone, I am NOT trying to lure people to give me their money... I am a hard working individual who is trying to stop living paycheck to paycheck myself. and when your income is like that, how the hell can you afford to have extra money to invest?!?!? I have studied enough and have been involved in the markets for 8 years, and understand much that is involved...

either someone gives me a chance and has a potential to gain prosperity along side of me (By doing absolutely nothing but signing a paper) or simply does nothing, and I get rich alone. either way is fine with me, I just wanted to know if someone wanted to have a piece of the pie when I wire some money in a few weeks and begin trading again. so please....

Stop being such a pessimistic asshole and stick up for the common man for once in your life. My plans are to be a Hedge fund manager making 100's of millions of dollars, and managing close to a billion in less than 5 years, believe me when I say that I WILL be working for the top firms in the U.S, unless i start my own firm that is. Believe or not, BE AT YOUR OWN RISK. Just dont make the wrong decision ok?

Some of those questions don't even make any sense, who the HELL in their right mind would spread money across 30 different options if they can see it that 1 option in particular will double in the next day??? (especially if your starting with a low sum of money, you cannot buy 30 different options hahaha your silly)this is about making money, not being diversified. some trades I can make 20% in 5 minutes... I am not going to be trading 5000 times a day people. that would not be efficient, and the market doesn't work that way.

I do not feel the need to answer and other questions, If you are serious, talk to me in private, I will be happy to answer any questions that may arise, I simply cannot be attempted to be "torn apart" publicly by complete infidels who do not know investing.



Have a Happy and Wonderful Life Everyone!
Peace and Prosperity to all!
let me know if you are interested.
-Aaron

[OnTheWayUp]

I just came across this thread, and not to be rude but, JMenq, he ripped you a new one.

He made you look like a little person. And hey, I'm just stating the obvious, you have been kinda rude to everyone you come across, but this post just takes the cake.

Even though he isn't coming back, I amend you Aaron, for standing up for yourself.

[BusinessAdviser]

Man, idk if I can even remember some of your ludacris questions, first of all, I have been trading stocks for 5 years, options for about a year, and forex for a year or two also, I was stupid to think that I could make money without knowing how some of these things work. now that I do, I feel that I can be profitable.

That was my point. You traded for years without knowing how they work. The basis for your claim of knowledge in how options work was "paying close attention to options for the last few weeks and ... reading for hours and hours on end every single day on how to manage risk/high rewards through trading options," and keeping track of "some hypothetical trades." I was trying to understand the extent of your knowledge of how they work. Isn't that a relevant question?

as far as you contradicting me when I said that trading options is much like stocks. I meant it. don't be a prick and say that it isnt, I am Trading STOCK OPTIONS. that means that basically the options (of the stock that I am trading) (particularly QQQQ) nasdaq 100, is that if nasdaq is down option calls is down, puts are up, or if nasdaq is up, calls are up and puts are down, so yes I meant it when I said that stocks are similar to trading options.

Proper option valuation is a much different process than stock valuation. There's no way around this. However, I would very much entertain your explanation of how they are similar, and I'm sure it would be useful to other members, as options are not really understood by many, yet they have been receiving a great deal of media attention lately.

I have read alot of replys from you about other people. NO I am not asking for $600,000 but simply a few hundred dollars because it does not require alot of money for one to start trading options. and that is to add to my money when I add it in a few weeks.

I AM NOT trying to make money, or take money from people on this forum for my own good, I AM trying to help you all, and produce an extremely large profit margin for my investors, NO I do NOT need any money from anyone. I ONLY posted this incase people in the entrepreneurial business would like a substantial amount of ROI (Return on Investment).( usually people would like more money... its common sense)

I DID NOT post this here thinking that a single soul would believe that a person could make this kind of return and offer to help people... But I am. and I'm saying:

TAKE IT OR LEAVE IT This will be my last post on this forum, I am not spamming, or trying to scam anyone. I am simply an investor that is looking to help people out very fast in short term.

My response was simply for the purpose of doing what any other reader should do, questioning your claims and trying to gain a better understanding of the facts and other support for them. One would have to be a fool not to do so.

Because one behaves differently when their own money is on the line rather than when they have no money on the line (making less risky decisions v. riskier decisions), I merely suggested that trading with your own money first would more accurately exhibit your ability to earn profits trading options than making hypothetical trades with no risk aversion whatsoever. When there is nothing to lose, you have an advantage to make the riskiest decisions possible, as they provide the greatest potential for huge returns and claims of amazing trading skills yet you suffer no losses if they end up tanking.

Whatever it is worth, I do NOT want to argue with anyone, I am NOT trying to lure people to give me their money... I am a hard working individual who is trying to stop living paycheck to paycheck myself. and when your income is like that, how the hell can you afford to have extra money to invest?!?!? I have studied enough and have been involved in the markets for 8 years, and understand much that is involved...

I'm not arguing either. I am raising issues to make you and others think a little more deeply, and to help understand some questions that I myself have or that others may have.

either someone gives me a chance and has a potential to gain prosperity along side of me (By doing absolutely nothing but signing a paper) or simply does nothing, and I get rich alone. either way is fine with me, I just wanted to know if someone wanted to have a piece of the pie when I wire some money in a few weeks and begin trading again. so please....

Would you agree that an investor also has the potential to lose every penny that he or she may send your way, and with no ability for him or her to control the decisions made affecting the money invested?

I also must ask about the big, white elephant in the room:

If you are such a successful trader, with nearly a decade of experience, why do you have no money to invest yourself, instead having to wait on a wire transfer?

It's a question to learn more, about which, again, an investor would be a fool to not inquire. This is relevant to your ability to succeed in this area.

Stop being such a pessimistic asshole and stick up for the common man for once in your life. My plans are to be a Hedge fund manager making 100's of millions of dollars, and managing close to a billion in less than 5 years, believe me when I say that I WILL be working for the top firms in the U.S, unless i start my own firm that is. Believe or not, BE AT YOUR OWN RISK. Just dont make the wrong decision ok?

That's the problem. Someone questions you, points out problems with your reasoning, makes you think a little and support yourself, and rather than responding to these and helping your cause, you call them a "pessimistic asshole." You could learn a lot and be much better off by learning to provide adequate facts and reason for the conclusions and claims that you make, and by respectfully and thoughtfully responding to questions or perceived shortcomings in your plan.

Some of those questions don't even make any sense, who the HELL in their right mind would spread money across 30 different options if they can see it that 1 option in particular will double in the next day??? (especially if your starting with a low sum of money, you cannot buy 30 different options hahaha your silly)this is about making money, not being diversified. some trades I can make 20% in 5 minutes... I am not going to be trading 5000 times a day people. that would not be efficient, and the market doesn't work that way.

Someone would spread their money across multiple options if they had any desire to diversify and reduce their risk. Trading on one option, couldn't you lose 100% in 5 minutes too?

I do not feel the need to answer and other questions, If you are serious, talk to me in private, I will be happy to answer any questions that may arise, I simply cannot be attempted to be "torn apart" publicly by complete infidels who do not know investing.

This should have just sold any potential investor on running the other way. I will never invest in someone who does "not feel the need to answer [any] other questions.

A complete infedel who does not know investing, huh?! Haha. No comment.

And as for OnTheWayUp's comment:

"not to be rude but, JMenq, he ripped you a new one.

He made you look like a little person."

To each his own. However, if that is the conclusion that you draw from all this, I must seriously question either (a) your motive or (b) your analytical skills.

Why don't you provide reasonable support for your opinion that I have had a new one ripped and have been made to look like a little person?! I'm very curious whether there is any rationality for these conclusions, or if you just don't appreciate my responses.

[OnTheWayUp]

This all comes back to you being rude to other new members. I really don't have the time or energy to state what everyone else has already stated (refer to uskaos post - Rudeness on YE) and I thought (i am entitled to my opinions) that he stood up for himself.

It also took you days to reply to this statement, which I felt that you knew you were wrong in how you treated this topic, but you then answer back anyways,after the comment I made, (which I think everyone knew you would do) even though he already stated that he wouldn't be back. I think you posted that last post just to say to yourself "HA! I showed HIM!"

Bravo, J.

P.S. - "the short person" and the "ripped you a new one" had no pun intended. By the look of the picture you had, you are probably around 6'2, maybe 6'3, and I'm sure he didn't give you colon surgery.

Can't a guy be sarcastic once in a while?

[BusinessAdviser]

This all comes back to you being rude to other new members. I really don't have the time or energy to state what everyone else has already stated (refer to uskaos post - Rudeness on YE) and I thought (i am entitled to my opinions) that he stood up for himself.

It also took you days to reply to this statement, which I felt that you knew you were wrong in how you treated this topic, but you then answer back anyways,after the comment I made, (which I think everyone knew you would do) even though he already stated that he wouldn't be back. I think you posted that last post just to say to yourself "HA! I showed HIM!"

Bravo, J.

P.S. - "the short person" and the "ripped you a new one" had no pun intended. By the look of the picture you had, you are probably around 6'2, maybe 6'3, and I'm sure he didn't give you colon surgery.

Can't a guy be sarcastic once in a while?

I do not see how I have been rude. Candid, yes. Asking him relevant questions and pointing out perceived shortcomings, which anyone should do, definitely.

Actually, I did not see his response until about an hour ago.

Right now, I am still awaiting your response to the question that I asked, but which you ignored or just did not see:

"Why don't you provide reasonable support for your opinion that I have had a new one ripped and have been made to look like a little person?! I'm very curious whether there is any rationality for these conclusions, or if you just don't appreciate my responses."

I did not assume that you meant that I am vertically challenged or have a hole somewhere that did not exist previously. Rather, I assumed that you meant that Naminater's analysis was more reasonable and convincing than mine. That's fine. I'm just wondering your rationale for such conclusion. Or were you just throwing out random comments with no basis whatsoever?

It almost seems as though you have taken personally the fact that when you sought me out at 9:30 AM on a Tuesday morning and sent me a YE message containing a couple-page business plan, you didn't get a response in less than 5 hours, which prompted you to send another message:

"Honestly, you could have told me that you didn't want to give me your opinion, I could have understood that. But you blatenly ignoring my PM is disgraceful. Someone comes to you because of your knowledge and you don't take the time to help, even though in your post you say you love to help, just doesn't seem right."

That's certainly what it looks like to me. Is this true? Or is there some reasonable, analytical basis for your comments on this thread pertaining to being ripped a new one or made to look like a little person?

[ChadFraz]

wow, you guys are all funny. this is a a business forum, not a Teen Girls magazine...

[stay@homeMommy]

wow, you guys are all funny. this is a a business forum, not a Teen Girls magazine...

I hope when my dauter gets older she has less drama.

[NaMiNaTeR]

wow...

Sorry, I had an urge to check to see if this thread went anywhere. glad to see that someone agrees with me on that fact.

It would take me hours to reply to every single question/diss/whatever it was that he ranted on about, but one question.... (Why the hell do you have to point out the obvious and ask every single question that you claim is "common sense" and "Everyone would know unless they are a bunch of fools" or however you put it, are you assuming that they are all fools so you ask questions for them that they already know?

unless you were interested in my opportunity, why would you waste (yours & my) Time???? just judging by your two posts in this thread, it would seem you spent countless hours citing sentences out of my post and trying to make sense out of them, taking meanings out of every word, TIP read the entire post once... maybe twice... then orchestrate a reply... seriously... who in gods green earth is going to ask 20+ questions (that are all debatable may I add) in one freaking post? I could easily prove you wrong, or atleast show my viewpoints and reasons for originally stating them, but again my reply would be like a chapter in a book and would probably take a few hours to type. (I can type about 60 words per minute btw)

its just not worth the time nor effort. I didnt even state a commision, timeframe, or amount, just that if you gave me money i'd give you back more.. FAST. I shouldnt have even went into detail, because there are people who really dont have a life and all they do is monitor forums 22 hours a day (2 for sleep) and it would seem that they wouldnt want anyone to succeed either.

oh well, if you took the time to read this, congratulations! you just wasted more time in your life, please don't die alongside your computer surrounded by empty coffee mugs and ramen noodle packages. that wouldn't be pretty. consider this post a workshop that you would normally pay money for J, you just got help, and can better your life after reading this...oh and donations are accepted!

haha, hope that was an enjoyable read, looks like I'm going into investing with mine, family's & friend's $$$$, I would appreciate the look on their faces in a few months more than anyone else, however the opportunity is still open even you Jmeng.

-Aaron..........*yawn* markets about to open, catch ya later

[BusinessAdviser]

I think I'll have to pass. I had some questions that I was waiting for you to answer, but when you ignored answering them again and instead just tried to rip into me, I went ahead and formed an opinion as to how it would be to invest in or work with you. Thank you for the offer though, and good luck.

[NaMiNaTeR]

Oh ok,

Awesome, I tried to fully explain myself as best as I could to start off, If you have a few questions I would be glad to answer them for you. I'm sorry that I wasn't more 'civil' with you, I was however hit with question overload, and they seemed full of criticism...

If you, or anyone else would like to stay up-to-date on my progress, please feel free to drop me a line at: Captain_mx @ hotmail. com

I traded BSC & AAPL options today trading bottoms/tops/chart patterns and was able to pull 60% gains today(the high amount of volatility in the market today as the February options expire today, I made 20 trades today, 9 winners and 1 I broke even on. I pussed out and took profits early, as well as got some bad fills on orders, I was in a position with BSC (BEAR STERNS) that would have tripled my money in 10 more minutes if I would have held, Instead I took about 85%... that was trading with only 1/8th of my account.

basically my best trading day so far, I could have made about 4 times my money if I could have caught BSC on the way down again around two. I had it entered in my account but chickened out. haha, hindsight is 20/20,

-Aaron

[BusinessAdviser]

How do you make your decisions? Not in a general sense, but what is your valuation or decision-making strategy? The way you get there is as or more important to me than the final result.

[chuff1026]

lol
u will think that entrepreneurs won't have this much time on their hands..lol

[NaMiNaTeR]

I mainly trade Intraday momentum plays,(getting in on the trend, while its good (calls on + movers) and also (getting in on the trend before-or right when it goes bad (puts on + movers) and vice versa of the two (alot of chart reading) if you can follow me.

I trade major indices such as the Dow, Nasdaq, and S&P options, & also those of big name companies,(more volume = quicker trade executions) such as apple, yahoo, google, bear sterns, intuitive surgical, or something else that I discover, The main reason why apple, google, and intuitive are so attractive is because of the daily range that they trade at fluctuates at a pretty high rate, and within the first 30 minutes of trading these companies are moving all over the place, to profit from options in these companies all you need is a point or two, to make significant financial gains. by buying cheap options (typically under 5 dollars compared to the stock prices: 300 for ISRG, & 525 for GOOG) it gives you the same leverage as owning the actual shares, also, options(calls & puts) are limited loss, so you can only lose the 5 dollars per contract, not more as if you were short selling. and the 5 dollar contracts will typically rise by 5-10 dollars if say the stock rises 6-11?!? (depends on the strike price of the options).

Sorry there is a lot of information and I'm pretty much trying to sum up hours and hours of info in 5 minutes... so basically with options, loss is limited, and profit is unlimited. (unless your trading naked calls/unprotected puts, and thats a whole new ball game)

anything else I could inform you of? there is so much to learn,

-Aaron