[VernieOnAMission]

Originally Posted by pbeale24

I think VOIP is a great idea, I am doing business in Romania and in the USA and it has been a tremendous savings to me. The quality stinks though and that projects a lack of professionalism. I use a landline whenever I have to speak with a client. I only use VOIP when I talk to my existing associates, who are typically overseas. With the sound quality where it is I will never rely on it to build a relationship with a client over the phone, but in all other applications it has been a Godsend. I have used Skype and Yahoo Voice, does anyone have any suggestions for better services?

VernieOnAMission,

As for your idea I am not interested although I think it has tremendous potential. If it weren't for the quality I would use VOIP exclusively. Also, I see the value of MLM in marketing a product as opposed to more traditional methods, but I think that MLM automatically comes with a lack of credibility because of all the scams out there. I have heard of thousands of people making money from MLM but, to this day, I have yet to meet one. Vernie, If you are successful at this I would say a great way to gain credibilty with people would be to scan one of your bank statements and post it on here. I am not trying to be confrontational I just think it would help you generate some credibilty no matter where you are posting about this. Everytime someone asks me to join an MLM I tell them the only way I will consider it is if they give me a copy of their bank statement. No one has ever taken me up on this.


Patrick

Patrick,

I understand all of your insights and I thank you for your opinion. After reading your response, a few things stand out to me that I can't help but respond to/

Firstly, I find it misleading for you to say that the quality of VOIP stinks. VOIP is an industry and unless you have used and experienced all providers, wouldn't you say that is somewhat of a misleading statement?


And second, I can't speak for other network marketers that you have spoken with, but maybe no one has ever taken you up on this offer because quite frankly, why should they?

They have an oppurtunity they believe in. Maybe they do need not to entice, or convince anyone to go with their oppurtunity. At the end of the day, you're only one man who doesn't see it and it's quite evident from this website their this is no shortage of people with vision or people who just need extra income.

[VernieOnAMission]

Originally Posted by stand856

hey vernie, you have any idea why over the seven years the stock dropped from $55 to $.44?

Might I ask whose stock you are referring to? VOIP is a pretty large industry.

[stand856]

Delta 3 stock

DDDC - Deltathree, Inc. - Google Finance

[VernieOnAMission]

Originally Posted by stand856

Delta 3 stock

DDDC - Deltathree, Inc. - Google Finance

Alot can happen in 7 years? New leadership...a merger...bad alliances....Unfortunatley I do not know what happened? Do you know?

I did however read this latest article recently released in October of 2007:

deltathree Named one of the Fast Growing Tech Companies in New York

I met a member of the leadership from deltathree at Jacob Javitz Center in NYC, this summer, and while I can't tell you much about the past, I am very happy with where things are going.

[stand856]

Is that the company that you are associated with?

[pbeale24]

Originally Posted by VernieOnAMission

Firstly, I find it misleading for you to say that the quality of VOIP stinks. VOIP is an industry and unless you have used and experienced all providers, wouldn't you say that is somewhat of a misleading statement?

When I expressed my opinion that the quality of VOIP stinks I was only referring to the services that I have used, I asked for suggestions for others because finding better quality VOIP would be a tremendous asset to me. You provided me with no suggestions, I am still open to those suggestions from you or anyone else. Perhaps a test run of your product would be in order.

[pbeale24]

Originally Posted by VernieOnAMission

And second, I can't speak for other network marketers that you have spoken with, but maybe no one has ever taken you up on this offer because quite frankly, why should they?

I agree that they don't have to show me their bank statement, I almost say it tongue and cheek, but I not so secretly would love someone to actually take me up on it. I don't know for sure whether they don't show me because they have no money in there or because it is none of my business, but I find it funny that they have scans of all these checks that people send them, why not a scan of their own personal bank account statement to simply show me that these checks increased their balance?

Originally Posted by VernieOnAMission

They have an oppurtunity they believe in.

I personally don't care about their "belief" in an apportunity if the opportunity doesn't make them any money and would accrue to me the same results.

Originally Posted by VernieOnAMission

Maybe they do need not to entice, or convince anyone to go with their oppurtunity.

From my understanding of MLM "enticing" and "convincing" is exactly what you need to do, the bank statement thing would be a vehicle of that convincing, albeit an unlikely one. If you don't "convince" anyone to go with your opportunity doesn't simple logic say that you haven't generated any business? Aren't you on here trying to "entice" or "convince" people to sign on with you so you can make money?

Originally Posted by VernieOnAMission

At the end of the day, you're only one man who doesn't see it and it's quite evident from this website their this is no shortage of people with vision or people who just need extra income.

I see it my friend, and my intention is not to start an argument with you. I agree with you 100% about the future of VOIP. I love it! I cannot take the time to explain what a valuable asset it has been to me. Please do not interpret my posts as confrontational, I know it is hard to judge tone while reading forum posts but mine is a spirit of true interest in what you are saying and selling. I say again, if you have a legitimate product that you are trying to sell I would be happy to take a look at it, if you are trying to sell me a product and an opportunity to make money selling that product I am completely uninterested. If you are claiming that your company has superior sound quality than those I mentioned then let me give it a try for free and if the quality is better I will use your product instead of the product I use currently.


Patrick

[VernieOnAMission]

Originally Posted by stand856

Is that the company that you are associated with?

YUP!! Yes sir it is!

[stand856]

Hopefully the net income of negative 2.12 mil will be in the green for the fourth quarter of this year, because for the past 4 quarters its been steadily declining.

[VernieOnAMission]

My friend,

I understand that you are not trying to be confrontational. I do believe that you have a genuine interest in the product and I don't believe you have made any statements out of malice. You are simply uneducated about the industry of MLM. So when you say that, "From my understanding of MLM "enticing" and "convincing" is exactly what you need to do, the bank statement thing would be a vehicle of that convincing, albeit an unlikely one." You are just coming from the outside looking in.

Early readers of this post might remember me stating my favorite Les Brown quote:
"A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still." That is still very much my philosopy.

When something makes sense to people, it just makes sense. So no, I do not believe that you must convince people to generate business. I believe that all you have to do is present the facts and in turn they will logically see the value.

I am in the business of creating WIN-WIN situations. A win for the customer who saves and a win for my team, so that we can make money.

Moving forward....I would love to offer you a free month of service...no problem. Please contact me via PM and I can give you all the information.

By the way, what country are you in?