[RLorenzen]

You sure do like to write a lot. I would have a response if I read all that, however, I do not have the time nor do I care less.

One thing I will point out is that I never used the word scam. MLM companies can indeed be successful (ie. Avon), however, they are not entrepreneurial in that you are basically a salesman/saleswoman and therefore they are not cared for very much on this group.

So, what exactly is it that you do? Through all of this wonderful "schooling" that you gave me you never actually specified that detail. In your signature all I see is a bunch of crap about team, partner of team, and a few quotes. Oh, and you say on the bottom line that you're an entrepreneur, that is convincing. Is "Team" the name of your company? That's what I would be led to believe from that cheap logo in your signature.

[RLorenzen]

Oh, and a quick message to jdorman. Try contacting MasApparel. He does graphic design and fashion design. He may be able to help you.

[JLeezer]

Ok, I just can't resist chiming in on this one.

Brad...I kind of looked at your response in a similar light as I saw the responses from the car salesmen I recently dealt with while searching for a car recently. I walked into several dealerships with this line being the first out of my mouth when asked how they could help me: "I know exactly what I'm looking for in a vehicle. Here are the makes and models, years, colors, and price range I need it to be in." Take a guess how many vehicles I was shown that did not meet any of the criteria I very clearly set out...I'd say between 85 and 95% of what I was shown. Take a guess as to how helpful that was to me.

Sure, I was in the market for a car. Just as the original poster was in the market for assistance with a specific business he is undertaking. But I wasn't helped at all by people giving me information and opportunities that did not fulfill my request. As the original poster was not helped by a random offer to get into a real money making opportunity.

The key here, Brad, is relevance. Your post would be quite relevant when the question asked is "Hey, does anyone have a way for me to make some extra money?" But it is NOT relevant when the question is "I am looking for help with this business I am starting. Anyone live in the Nashville, TN area that also has an interest in establishing a new clothing line?"

Relevance. It is an amazing concept that is ignored too much these days.

[RLorenzen]

Originally Posted by JLeezer

Ok, I just can't resist chiming in on this one.

Brad...I kind of looked at your response in a similar light as I saw the responses from the car salesmen I recently dealt with while searching for a car recently. I walked into several dealerships with this line being the first out of my mouth when asked how they could help me: "I know exactly what I'm looking for in a vehicle. Here are the makes and models, years, colors, and price range I need it to be in." Take a guess how many vehicles I was shown that did not meet any of the criteria I very clearly set out...I'd say between 85 and 95% of what I was shown. Take a guess as to how helpful that was to me.

Sure, I was in the market for a car. Just as the original poster was in the market for assistance with a specific business he is undertaking. But I wasn't helped at all by people giving me information and opportunities that did not fulfill my request. As the original poster was not helped by a random offer to get into a real money making opportunity.

The key here, Brad, is relevance. Your post would be quite relevant when the question asked is "Hey, does anyone have a way for me to make some extra money?" But it is NOT relevant when the question is "I am looking for help with this business I am starting. Anyone live in the Nashville, TN area that also has an interest in establishing a new clothing line?"

Relevance. It is an amazing concept that is ignored too much these days.

Good observation. That is exactly my original point. Brad's post was irrelevant. Immediately Brad took it so personally acting like I was launching an investigation into his company or something.

[JLeezer]

Originally Posted by RLorenzen

Good observation. That is exactly my original point. Brad's post was irrelevant. Immediately Brad took it so personally acting like I was launching an investigation into his company or something.

Thanks. I was just kind of excited to get to complain about my car buying experience in a hopefully informative way.

I'm pretty satisfied that my 100th post (making me a Senior Member...I was wondering what the different levels were, not so much excited, just curious) was that last one.

[RLorenzen]

Originally Posted by JLeezer

I'm pretty satisfied that my 100th post (making me a Senior Member...I was wondering what the different levels were, not so much excited, just curious) was that last one.

Congrats on your 100th post!

[Brad Burnette]

JLeezer,

Relevance? Again, most people are coming up with new ideas to try with the end goal of making money. I gave no one a long spill on anything. I simply made a quick statement. If what I do is of no interest to the original poster, he'll ignore it, case closed. If he is interested, we'll talk more. Worst case scenario, he wasted 4.7 seconds reading my post. I don't know how that is in any way a bad idea or irrelevant or inappropriate.

To RLorenzen,

So you didn't use the word scam. I'm so sorry. Doesn't that word usually go with "pyramid ____"? MLM is not entrepreneurial? Really? You do realize that S quadrant business are not exclusively entrepreneurial right? Entrepreneur income or businesses generate income in, well, any class but employee. In all actuality, I'd consider B and I businesses to be REAL entrepreneurship. More than S for sure, which is still trading time for money like and employee, albeit more money...but then again it is more time too.

Choosing not to read my posts because you "don't have time" is not the slick high and mighty way of avoiding getting your argument crushed that you think it is. We all know you read it and simply don't have any comeback for the reasoning I gave that crushed everything you said. It's fine. You can always just say "I was wrong". No hard feelings.

And for the last time, if you want to know what I and my business do, you can check the post I started about it. I am not going to repeat myself here. Cheap logo? Hahaha. I bet the business you don't have has a much more jazzy logo, and probably doesn't generate even a small percentage of what we do. Unless you are above the 500 million/yr mark, which I highly doubt it. You are talking about looks RLorenzen, looks are for the unsuccessful. Those without results need to "look" successful, those with results have results, and don't need to necessarily look the part.

Now, please don't again ask why the I posted what I did. It was perfectly relevant and was no bother to either of you one way or the other. Second, don't ask again for me to explain anything. I've explained my business elsewhere, if only briefly. Thirdly, please just stop speaking. Every point you've made I've systematically flipped on its head, and pounded into the ground. It's foolish to argue with someone who knows what they know, and knows also what you think you know, and how you have come to believe it is correct. This is a recipe for getting your "logic" and "reasoning" demolished, and in the end you only look foolish. The good part for you, however, is that thinking on a lower plane of existence, you can't realize when you are wrong and don't know what you are talking about. Therefore you refuse to see the obviousness of what I clearly show you, and thus don't feel stupid, even though you should.

Oh yea. I don't care about your car sales experience. It has no relevance to this discussion. In the future, use meaningful stories please. Scratch that. Don't speak in the future. Thanks.

[JLeezer]

Really? I applaud you on "systematically" flipping all of our points on their heads and pounding them into the group. It isn't an easy task being as full of oneself as you are.

You are amazing

[RLorenzen]

JLeezer's experience is relevant because he was making a point about how you made the wrong choice to post in this thread. Honestly, did your post about "money making opportunities" have anything to do with what the person who started this thread was looking for? I didn't think so.

--"Oh yea. I don't care about your car sales experience. It has no relevance to this discussion. In the future, use meaningful stories please. Scratch that. Don't speak in the future. Thanks." -- I can't believe you would write something so stupid.


Anywho, can you just once and for all tell everybody what exactly it is that you do?? What is your company's name and website?

Also, one more thing. Looks are for the successful. How you represent yourself and your brand will determine whether customers will deem your business credible. That's common sense. If you were shopping for a new shirt would you go to the clean store with the attractive advertisements or the store with roach problems and a paper sign on the door?

[RLorenzen]

Why do you defend MLM if you do not care for them?

Also, for the record, I do not have anything against MLM companies. I even own stock in some of them and have made out very well. All that I wanted to originally point was your irrelevance and you were irrelevant. The poster was not looking for a money making opportunity. He was looking for a fashion designer.

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Be careful, Brad. While I thought I was done with this thread, your self righteousness and cockiness in your ability to reason has tempted me to jump in and reason you into the ground. Believe me when I tell you that there's something to be said for humility, especially when you're face to face with someone who can embarrass you. I'll leave it at that and hope that you're smart enough to just be humble and stick to the issue of your money making opportunity. However, feel free to provoke me, honey. Lol. We'll see who can reason.