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Old 08-31-2006, 04:51 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Question Website Review

I just want to share my experience before I am too busy with our funding venture for http://www.istockanalyst.com

The good news is that two investors and one broker contacted me through this forum for funding. I respectfully declined those offers because funding amount was too low. If you have a good idea and require small amount in funding, this forums is going to help. Do not expect huge amount in funding. I think it helps if you already have a product in some form for demonstration.

Secondly, since last posting we added lot of content and tools to the website. I would like to have your sincere opinion on the website. I will prefer that someone comment on the website here than being embarrassed in front of an investor.

Some of questions are like why you will not stick with the website. Some of the data is coming directly from a source who supplies the same data to institution investors, whether you will be willing to pay for this service. How much is the fair subscription charge per month? Do you currently subscribe to any similar service? How much you pay for that service. How many advertisements are too much on a website?

We are soon going to add advance research module with stock message boards. Does it help to bring in Yahoo, Google or some other stock message boards data (legally through RSS feeds) to our message boards? Would you like auto-update(something between chat room and message board) kind of message board or traditional style message board? How important or frustating it is for your to click back and forth for reading/ posting messages?

Any tips on the marketing a financial website? Some of the common ideas are like CPM/CPC advertisement with Google/Yahoo… Other ideas are to post pamphlets at colleges and universities or distribute it at Wall Street. We started our own blog and it will take long time through this channel.

Website: http://www.istockanalyst.com
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Old 08-31-2006, 06:37 PM   #2 (permalink)
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friend, I can give you a website review. you're not the kind to get your feelings hurt are you?

Essentially - I can't find anything positive about the website.

1) If I want free quotes/trends - I go to google/yahoo

2) If I want paid stuff - I go to aspect financial

3) If I want commentary/analysis - I go to fool.com

I don't see in anyway, what so ever as to how you are competitive with these sites.

You don't have better features/usability/ or marketing.

To move forward I'd really like you to reach out and drop me (or someone else) a PM to discuss your challenges.

Don't worry about all these extra features you're building. That's feature creep. It'll kill you. You need to focus on a core value proposition and inimitable differentiation.

I really do hope that the wool is coming off your eyes and you can see clearly that you need help if you're gonna compete for market share in this space.

I have absolutely no idea why you started this site without first figuring out what your sustainable competitive advantage should be - but now that you're here - you may want to invest in one of those.

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Old 08-31-2006, 07:33 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Akula,

I cannot tell about aspect financial because the website did not load for me within couple of minutes. Did you compare the commentary on fool.com and this website? The company, which licensed this commentary, licenses the same commentary to institutional investors. The commentary is mostly posted before other websites you mentioned above. I cannot name the companies of the column writers but both main writers are chief editors of biggest equity research and Forex companies. My friend, in stock market timely information is gold. If you invest based on fool.com commentary, well all I will say is best of luck. I will suggest that you go back and actually look at the website.

We launched this website little over 3 months and sitting on more than 600 users. As you mentioned in your post comparing three separate established websites with our single website. Here is the value proposition right here.

Which feature you mentioned as creep? I think you need to elaborate on this. Can you just list down all the features of the website.

You have pitched me before and I am not interested in you proposition so please do not ask again. No offense, but I do not see competitve advantage in yeblogger over blogger.com, typepad, yahoo 360, technorati... Why you launched this website?

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Old 08-31-2006, 08:22 PM   #4 (permalink)
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OK, sweet. Let me cover those points.

Regarding yeblogger.com: yeblogger is a form of advertising that's better than google adwords. the founder needed to reach a specific audience and tell them about his other site. rather than use adwords, he created yeblogger which let's him deliver his message to a carefully selected audience, in a meaningful format, and recover his investment in marketing by selling yeblogger if it doesn't generate the desired results.

that's the competitive advantage of yeblogger over other forms of advertising for the person in question.

Regarding your site: I can't talk to you if you get offended and lose your cool. The impression I'm getting is you assuming that I'm having a personal go at you.

I'm not. I'm here to help, but I'll withdraw my help if you fail to be grateful.

This is not a pissing contest. This is you doing SWOT analysis and talking with me about the various strengths, weaknesses, opportunities and threats facing you and your team members.

Rather than throwing around a million different ideas, I do encourage you to request a structured SWOT to meaningfully analyse how you can solve your problems and create shareholder value.

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Old 08-31-2006, 10:05 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Let me give you examples of some good website. Please visit http://www.technorati.com/ or www.digg.com
These websites are much stable and much bigger audience with more features. I still do not understand how yeblogger is different than creating a blog and list it on technorati or digg?


I apologize if I sound like attacking or offended because I am not. I purposely asked you to list all the website features so that we can discuss competitive advantage.

iStockAnalyst.com is about empowering individual investors with right toolsets.

Let me give you some competitive advantage:
1. Market Commentary: I am dead serious about this. The only way to find out this is actually analyze it for a day. The streaming option automatically updates new commentary and conveniently highlights it. There is nothing like this on websites your mentioned earlier. I have not seen similar, self updating feature on any of these websites. We loose page view in streaming feature to benefit our users.

2. Earning Estimator: The earning estimator is a statistical tool based on users estimates. Did it work in last earning season? You bet it did. Most of the estimates were better than consensus estimates. There were multiple companies reported inline with our estimates. Anyone investing in stock market can testify the value of this information. Do you see anything like this in any of the above websites?

3. Daily Columns: These columns are maintained by some big names in the investing community. I am not saying these are the best columns and probably Yahoo or Fool.com have better columns, but any regular user can testify that if they have followed these columns they would have invested better during the summer cycle.

4. Chat Rooms: Probably the only AJAX based chat tool with advance editor. You can post a stock chart into the chat room. You can do research without leaving the chat room. Each chat room tracks average user sentiment. A group of day traders can actually benefit from each other by sharing information on these chat rooms.

5. Financial Blogs: The most cleanest and usable blogging interface.

6. Custom Feeds: A user can create multiple custom feed sourced from market commentary and various RSS news and Blogs feed and filter it based on symbols, keywords… I have seen similar application offered for $100 per month with no web interface.

I will not talk about the educational articles. I know there is a better website other than the one you mentioned above. I will not compare the research data because it is same on all website sourced by same vendor.

Now the question is why we need a new approach for message boards
If you are an investor you can testify how many messages are posted during major events like analyst upgrade, earnings, FDA approval… You just cannot stay in sync with the current conversation/information shared by board users. A message board needs to auto update with new messages as soon as they are posted. A investor should be able to spend more time in reading/writing message than clicking back and forth.

The message board has to nicely downgrade to traditional message board during normal postings.

The best of all none of the tools require any download or java environment.

Please realize that we have done all this before we are pitching for funding. Most of the website does not require registration, but we still have good number of users’ registered for some limited features. I cannot discuss our plans after funding but this is not complete set of features.

It seems like you did not looked at the website and your comments sounds like an attack. The only reasonable explanation I can think off for that I respectfully refused to follow your earlier pitch. If i summarize your earlier comments, you are basically saying that we do not know what we are doing.
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Old 09-01-2006, 12:08 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Ok mate, no worries.

I'll make some time to address your concerns in like a few hours or something

note an important point: competitive advantage is not the same as differentiation

"we have Chat Rooms" is not the same as "we have exclusive distribution in 5 Ivy league MBA programs"

This is an obvious issue that investors will be troubled with: no specialised target market (you're selling to "everyone") and no sustainable competitive advantage (contractual rights)

one of your more important problems (from product design point of view) is that you're easy to copy. your site doesn't have proprietary technology or exclusively available data.

again, I'll expand on these things and remember - these are not personal attacks - just the kinds of things strangers are gonna spit back at you when you ask them for money - and you better have some damn good answers which don't involve listing different features you're packing into your product.

good web apps are like scalpels - not like swiss army knives.

you're trying to be like a swiss army knife and create a portal.

you can't win there because you're competition is too entrenched.

you need to fight on the fringes - in markets which you can dominate - and which are too small to notice for $100billion competitors

at the end of the day - when making an investment decision, people back startups who can win leading market share in any one market. in your case - you've chosen to compete against people who you can't possibly beat, and you're starting to play by their rules (i.e. the more features the better)

these are all areas of concern

none of them are particularly fatal, but all of them significantly reduce premoney valuation
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Akula,

I appreciate your last comment and I am looking for this kind of feedback.

I am sending you a PM.
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OK, great. I'll do the feedback here so there is some kind of value for the community. In this first post I'll cover top thee preliminary issues and set the context for further analysis.

Post 1: Authority, Investment ready, entrepreneurial specialisation

Authority: This post is about getting isock to the stage of being investment ready. It's highly improbable that an investment deal will come to fruition - but the process of getting there will minimise downside and maximise upside for the entrepreneur because the journey follows industry standard practices for what makes high potential interenet startups.

The authority for this information are venture capital training manuals which are based on empirical findings for what makes good investment deals, and the collective posts of over 130 vc bloggers who write about these things on daily basis. This is not Danny Nerezov making shit up.

Investment ready: With startups, there is the concept of being investment ready. Practically, it's a checklist which changes depending on the stage of the company, what the company does and who the founders are. Whilst I'll skip commenting on this check list for now, I will say something important about the process of being investment ready.

When seeking to raise money, it's advisable for the entrepreneur to start with a crappy startup which fails most checklist items. This approach is advantageous, because the founder will need to build repore with his potential backers over a period of 6-12 months before any L.O.I or term sheet discussions are ripe to take place. During this time, the entrepreneur ought to report copious amounts of good news, which is impossible to do if the entrepreneur has perfected his startup before contacting his prospects.

Cumulatively, during this journey, investors will make demands to see changes, and request things from the entrepreneur which the entrepreneur may not agree with. In these circumstances, the entrepreneur is advised to bite his tongue and nod enthusiastically because the entrepreneur is trying to sell securities, and has to be flexible to tailor his pitch so the prospects for these securities hear what they want to hear - as opposed to what the entrepreneur thinks they should hear (i.e respond to customer demand - the investor being the customer). It's salesmanship.

Entrepreneurial specialization: To make sure that deals are closed quickly with minimal fuss, the founders of startups like istock, need to appreciate their unique and important role in the economy.

With the Internet industry, there is a small number of very fierce, large competitors who have stakes in most consumer markets. The founders of small companies like istock will find their fates a lot more favourable if they appreciate that their role in the economy has little to do with competing with these giants - but rather it is to create products and services which let the giants compete against them selves.

With stock quotes, and other financial data - one way to create a great entrepreneurial startup is to innovate in the areas of how financial data is distributed, or consumed. For example - traders have a natural tendency for herding together, yet currently available products from Google and Yahoo do little by way of helping traders herd together.

From Google's of Yahoos point of view - investing resources into developing this functionality makes little sense because these are billion dollar corporations which need to grow by at least 10% a year and this growth is better achieved by investing in the marketing of existing products, rather than creating new ones which may as well flop.

This is the niche dominated by entrepreneurs. They innovate and test market new ideas for large corporations. Then they get bought, the corporations extend their competitive advantage and the entrepreneur gets a merit badge. There are no other people in the economy endowed to do this job other than entrepreneurs.

Finally: From this perspective - startups like istock are typically advised to follow the old fashioned way of making large sums of money, and create innovative products which don't directly compete with insurmountable competition - but which serve as nicely packaged complimentary additions to what ever the 900 pound guerrilla's got on offer (i.e. NOT substitute goods, but complimetary goods).

Failure to follow this process creates a mismatch in dialogue between founders and prospective investors. The investors want a timely exit, but the entrepreneur wants to build a company which can wrestle market share from a huge competitor. Even if that's possible, which it isn't, this process would take to long and therefore dilute any effective rates of return.

So...if you're doing a startup - do your job well. Be innovative. That's your role in the economy. That said, entrepreneurs must specialize in very particular kinds of innovation which is more valuable than technical innovation.

In my next post, I'll com back to the investment ready check list and apply it to istock to draw conclusions.

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Old 09-01-2006, 02:31 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Shit, nice post Opened my eyes a bit, really fits into my situation. (well not the looking for investment part)
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