VOIP,Web calling business

**shaw4000** · 02-02-2009 11:58 PM

Hi how are you all

recently i came upon some websites which offering cheap internationals calls. they maintain your account when you buy some credit from them i thing they are doing good business. i want to ask can we do that kind of business.You can make calls from their websites or by calling their local access No. I think it is a very smart way to attract customers.

you can find links to these websites by clicking on this link

Ring The World For Free

I mean to say if starting VOIP business is profitable

**SIMPLEROBB** · 02-03-2009 04:37 AM

Thanks Shaw.

**Gopal Dev** · 02-05-2009 05:55 PM

VoIP is definitely the future and is becoming the present very quickly. This cutting edge technology will be in millions of households in the next few years and will revolutionize the way we communicate.

Anything to do with telecom is great because no matter how bad the economy gets, everyone will still use some sort of telecom service (phone, Wirless devices, Internet, VoIP etc...) and as a result is quite recession-proof.

Make it happen! Cheers!

Gopal (The Musical Mad Scientist and Entrepreneur)
The v-Fusion Group

**mushy204** · 02-05-2009 08:19 PM

Hey shaw,

I already have known abt this and if you wish we can do it on a partner basis .. Just PM me

**shaw4000** · 02-06-2009 09:48 AM

Originally Posted by mushy204

Hey shaw,

I already have known abt this and if you wish we can do it on a partner basis .. Just PM me

First of all Thanks for you reply Mushy
As you said if we could do business together do you have any idea how to setup a voip company and how much capital shall we invest and if there is any hope of positive return.
and what would be our target customers. and all above that what we will offer to our customers if you have any idea share with me
i am new to forum and don't know how to pm you.

Thanks

**Proph** · 02-06-2009 01:42 PM

i really hate to burst your bubble since you seem excited about it. I currently work for a large company that is all voip based now. I have been the lead architect/engineer for several companies that have moved off of traditional TDM systems to VoIP. So needless to say i have a little experience in the voip area.

First of all voip was cutting edge in 2000/2001 today it is fairly common. For example you may have noticed your cable company offers telephone service, that is voip based. The reason this may burst your bubble is a company providing the service you describe would need at aleast $500k-$1m of angel funding just to get started. this is assuming your equity partners know how to design and build out the system because consultants in this field are NOT cheap. to give you an idea some of the weekend contract work i do outside my normal job is $8k a weekend.

First of all there is the facilities aspect. basically at some point that voip based call is going to have to be dumped into the PSTN cloud. I have worked with several companies that will give you less that $.01/min for calls with month to month contracts and will accept raw VoIP calls and place them onto the PTSN though their network. but if you are doing international calls for example by far the cheapest way to go would be to have facilities in the US and in Europe, contract Qwest or verizon to lease bandwidth across the atlantic and transfer calls from the US across your pipe to your facility in europe and place calls onto the cloud there. the savings come from not getting nailed by tariffs and such when calls leave the US because they are data at this point. the reason it would cost so much is you have to build at a somewhat decent backbone, have the servers that can convert VoIP to TDM and your local and LD costs for termination at the sites.

Now there is a cheaper way and that is to not own your network, either by co locating a few servers and partnering with a well funded up an coming VoIP LD company, so you would take the initial request for the call then dump it onto their network to set up and transport, that would make you more of an advertising company though since you are really getting people to pay you for a service you have basically just outsourced (BTW don't expect good international rates in this scenario). However although the technology to do is rather simple and quite mature now adays, it is not cheap. no matter what IP pbx company you go with to try and do this expect to pay boatloads ($50-$100k) for it if you are building out for any level of volume (100+ simutainous calls)

hope that give you a little bit of an idea. it is by no means all encompasing but remember VoIP is just set up messages with a data stream so it is all about network, bandwidth and latency (don't even think about bouncing VoIP calls off satilites to get around internation bandwidth prices unless you want conversations to end up like nextel direct connect calls, beep... person A talks, long pause, person b respons, long pause etc...)

**Gaulkin** · 02-06-2009 01:47 PM

Originally Posted by Proph

i really hate to burst your bubble since you seem excited about it. I currently work for a large company that is all voip based now. I have been the lead architect/engineer for several companies that have moved off of traditional TDM systems to VoIP. So needless to say i have a little experience in the voip area.

First of all voip was cutting edge in 2000/2001 today it is fairly common. For example you may have noticed your cable company offers telephone service, that is voip based. The reason this may burst your bubble is a company providing the service you describe would need at aleast $500k-$1m of angel funding just to get started. this is assuming your equity partners know how to design and build out the system because consultants in this field are NOT cheap. to give you an idea some of the weekend contract work i do outside my normal job is $8k a weekend.

First of all there is the facilities aspect. basically at some point that voip based call is going to have to be dumped into the PSTN cloud. I have worked with several companies that will give you less that $.01/min for calls with month to month contracts and will accept raw VoIP calls and place them onto the PTSN though their network. but if you are doing international calls for example by far the cheapest way to go would be to have facilities in the US and in Europe, contract Qwest or verizon to lease bandwidth across the atlantic and transfer calls from the US across your pipe to your facility in europe and place calls onto the cloud there. the savings come from not getting nailed by tariffs and such when calls leave the US because they are data at this point. the reason it would cost so much is you have to build at a somewhat decent backbone, have the servers that can convert VoIP to TDM and your local and LD costs for termination at the sites.

Now there is a cheaper way and that is to not own your network, either by co locating a few servers and partnering with a well funded up an coming VoIP LD company, so you would take the initial request for the call then dump it onto their network to set up and transport, that would make you more of an advertising company though since you are really getting people to pay you for a service you have basically just outsourced (BTW don't expect good international rates in this scenario). However although the technology to do is rather simple and quite mature now adays, it is not cheap. no matter what IP pbx company you go with to try and do this expect to pay boatloads ($50-$100k) for it if you are building out for any level of volume (100+ simutainous calls)

hope that give you a little bit of an idea. it is by no means all encompasing but remember VoIP is just set up messages with a data stream so it is all about network, bandwidth and latency (don't even think about bouncing VoIP calls off satilites to get around internation bandwidth prices unless you want conversations to end up like nextel direct connect calls, beep... person A talks, long pause, person b respons, long pause etc...)

Lol, you didn't burst his bubble you blew it up with 10 pounds of c4.

**Proph** · 02-06-2009 02:16 PM

Originally Posted by Gaulkin

Lol, you didn't burst his bubble you blew it up with 10 pounds of c4.

hehehehe,,, yeah sorry about that. i didn't mean to but was trying to give a realistic expectation. If he has the drive to start something but only has access to small amounts of funding i didn't want him to waste his time on this road. There are better more profitable ideas to spend time on.