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Old 04-22-2006, 09:05 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Online Stock Trading.

I am 17, and over the past year or so I have been doing a lot of reading about stocks etc. Recently I have decided that I may be ready to venture into the markets, however a part of me asks, is it really worth trading stocks online when you only have $1000 to start with? I was doing some basic math and could see if I use an online brokerage site like e-trade (e-trade Canada for me) they would be charging $10 per trade, and then some (service fees etc) the fees deter me somewhat but not enough to keep me from entirely dismissing online trading. I know alot of you must have started trading stocks at my age or younger, how much did you start with? What were the limitations of having a custodial account? It will not bother me a whole lot if I only make small amounts of money per trade, the way I see it is, it is money made sitting on my ass clicking a button. Any Suggestions? Tips? Personal stories?
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Old 04-22-2006, 09:37 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Some great questions. I didn't start trading until I was an adult, so I can't say anything about limits on custodial accounts.

First of all, the fine print on E-Trade Canada's pricing is that you get $10 trading if you make over 30 trades per month. I don't see how you could possibly make that number of trades, so it will be $20 per trade for you. My company uses TradeFreedom (http://www.tradefreedom.com/en/home/index.asp), which only charges $17.95 per trade (saving every little bit helps when you're starting off small) with no other fees.

Next, you need to ask yourself what your goals are. Are you trying to day/short term trade? With $1000 it would be hard to make money this way since you would need pretty large movements in price to make even small amounts (basically the first 4% gain on any stock you buy will be eaten up in trading costs on $1000). You could look into the futures, options and forex markets, since they typically have 20-1 leverage (ie. your $1000 would be like $50000). You can make and lose a high percentage of your initial capital that way though, and these markets have different dynamics than the regular stock market.

I started out with about $4000 and focused on local companies with relatively small market caps (under $200 million Cdn) that had the potential to increase substantially in value within 12-18 months. These types of companies typically had little if any analyst coverage (at the time), but had good market potential that if they executed on their business plans would make Bay Street take notice and thus create big gains as more people saw them as a good buy. Some examples of this were Isotechnika (TSX:ISA), Compton Petroleum (TSX:CMT) and CV Technologies (TSX:CVQ).

Since you are starting with less capital, I would focus on one or at most two companies that have this type of potential. Calgary is full of interesting opportunities right now, from standard Oil & Gas to software to biotech.

One good resource for you to hunt for some tips would be Christopher Gulka's Prairie Trader monthly article in Alberta Venture magazine (latest issue: http://www.albertaventure.com/abventure_4641.html). He is always covering Alberta stocks that have limited exposure right now but have potential to increase in price and sometimes move from the Venture Exchange up to the big board.

Here's one company to look at: WellPoint Systems (TSXV:WPS). They're supplying oilfield management software to the booming Oil & Gas industry. I've met their CEO a couple of times and they have a solid business plan. They've had a substantial run-up in the past few months as a result of several good news stories and increased exposure. I would wait for the trading to subside awhile before entering at a lower price, but they look to have a lot more in them longer term.

You'll notice that with these types of companies that they will jump substantially on good news, then slowly decline over several months before jumping again on more good news. This presents some good short-term trading opportunities (sell when news hits, buy later on after the price drops again) while giving you a change to watch as the stock increases over the long term).

Good luck to you in your foray into the markets!
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Thank you very much for the post jdoc, great to hear from a fellow Albertan. Your tips on small Calgary based oil/gas companies are greatly appreciated, I was very much aware that local oil/ gas companies were great stocks to invest in, but thanks to you I now know where to find them. Your comments have inspired me to further my market venture...now its just a matter of convincing my dad to allow me to trade and stand as the custodial account holder. He will be a tough one to budge.
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You're very welcome. Hopefully you can convince your dad. Just tell him you want to get some practice that you're ahead of the game when you go to University and join the U of Calgary Portfolio Management Trust: (http://www.ucalgary.ca/~cpmt/)
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Hello, TheGodfather

I started out mabey 3 to 4 years ago with $1000. SO basicly what I did with that 1000 was scalping profits from companies stocks worth no more than $1. I mad money enough to go to the bigger stocks 4 Months after that.

If you think you are ready go for it but if your not try downloading the CYber Trader Simulator at https://www.cybertrader.com/GettingS...?secure=y&DT=S the program records the Prev's day Quotes for you to practice your skills. Any ways remember since you are in a limited budget make shure that the stock that you buy has Volume to it because if not you will get stuck with the stock and there will be no exit strategy. Look for stocks that have a Daily Volume of 400,000+ that way you know you will be able to sell the next minute the stock goes up or down.

Also Read practice and Read. The money is out there waiting for people to go and grab it.

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Glad to hear from you fxdome, I am up for the challenge and I do beleive trading penny stocks is the only way I can succeed with only $1000, well that and luck. However isn't trading penny stocks really risky... more so than others? The tip about the 400 000+ daily volume is logical and helpful.

jdoc you were talking about the $20 dollar commision fee, I do believe I would be able to make 30+ trades a month especially if i am going to be dealing with such low priced stocks. I hope to mimic the actions of a day trader...however this may be difficult for me seeing as how I will be in school for most of the market day. Yet it is my understanding that I may be able to use buy/sell limits and stops.
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Old 04-23-2006, 03:23 PM   #7 (permalink)
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hello Godfather, what books have you read?
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well to tell you the truth the only book I have read is Stock Investing for Dummies, and various magazines my neighbour gives me, the majority of my reading has been web based.
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oh thats cool. Theres an online fantasy stock market (http://www.youngmoney.com/stock_market_game/). You can always practice here if you want.
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I am thinking about purchasing a book called "Short Term Trading in the New Stock Market" any suggestions on further reading?
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right now im using the investopedia stock market sim, it seems really realistic and it includes commission fees and allows stops and limits and such.
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cool...ill check it out thx