[Gaulkin]

Its only a tangible assets if someones willing to buy it.

[capforge]

Originally Posted by rogercbryan

Grammar by definition is the use of words.

Actually the definition of grammar is different, but the point I was making was that the first two sentences directly contradict each other, which makes me wonder, as a customer, what's going on. It has nothing to do with spelling, word usage, or anything grammatical.

Originally Posted by rogercbryan

So in your opinion you are confused by the term couple of seconds and 20 seconds as you feel they are not the same.

I am not confused. They are not the same. Period.

Originally Posted by rogercbryan

I did post that we are not giving you potential customers

Then what am I paying for- totally random drive by visitors- why on earth would I want that kind of traffic? If I don't have a hope of engaging at least a fraction of the traffic you send, then what possible reason would I have for paying for those visits?

Originally Posted by rogercbryan

the amount of time they spend on your site in not important.

Maybe not to you, but to me, as a potential customer, it is very important how long people you send me spend on my site- especially if you are telling me the are going to be spending a certain amount of time (20 seconds) and then they spend significantly less than that. You should care about what is important to me, if you expect me to pay for your service. That is the point I keep trying to make to you.

Originally Posted by rogercbryan

The whole point of this post was to ask YE users if they were interested in a product like this.

And the whole point of my response is to tell you what I, as a potential customer, would have issues with. You don't have to listen to me, but then you should have solid proof that there are lots of other people who do like exactly what you are offering if you don't decide to make any changes.

Originally Posted by rogercbryan

I never said I knew exactly what to offer.

And that is what I am saying you need to work on, before you spend $10,000 marketing something that you don't know exactly what it is.

Originally Posted by rogercbryan

I think you may have glanced at what I wrote and then decided to make your post.

I think you may have ignored what I wrote because it wasn't what you wanted to hear.

It doesn't matter to me, I'm just trying to give you some usable feedback on what your next best step would be- figuring out exactly what the market wants and how to offer it to them in a competitive value added way.

All I have to back up my opinion is ten years spent working with thousands of small business owners to create solid, profitable small businesses (along with several of my own). But don't let that influence you at all- you should do whatever you think is best and see how it turns out. Hopefully it all comes together for you and you make a nice profit. I have certainly been wrong before and am open to the possibility that I am here, too. But I doubt it.

[Aletheides]

Formula is

Unique High Quality Content + Links = Traffic = $$$

You must monotize the traffic you get. Easiest way is Adsense. Most profitable is affiliate marketing.

This certainly seems like a lot to spend - but how many directories have you bought so far?

Take it slow with your budget. There's no reason to rush, use your $ wisely.

[rogercbryan]

What I've determined is that:
1- Traffic generation on its own has little value so it needs to be part of a packaged deal. This has lead me to not market my traffic site independently.
2- No one has even mentioned the cotent creation or delivery. Does anyone here see value in having a service that can automatically post fresh content either to a blog or your compnaies home page either daily or weekly? This is key word targeted content.
3- Some people dont understand a site test and that you'll always have word errors while in testing.
4- Some people simply don't grasp the concept of a large idea (not specific to this idea)as a whole. They tend to look for the first negative and can never get past that.
5- The idea of generic traffic is still elusive to people as they have a problem understanding it on a large scale. When you try to drive 1000 generic visitors to your site you see no change in your ranking. But if you drive 100,000 people to your site over 3 months you see a signifigant increase in your search engine placement, your PR, and you Alexa Rankings.
5a- To combat the above problem (understanding generic traffic) I'm going to run a three month test on one of my sites. I need more info if I'm going to convert the unbelievers.

[clp11479]

something about the homepage doesnt look right. not sure if it is the total black background or the header or both. doesnt grab me and kinda turns me off from the site. just my personal opinion.

[oam]

I like the idea, and the prices seem really reasonable too. One thing that would prevent me from using it is that my site is location specific. So having people outside of my country wouldn't be much value. I can see once you have enoguh enough members offering a more targetted service (based on the visitors location, interests, etc.). Plus since it's targetted, your members might enjoy the sites more, and the advertisers would be willing to pay a higher premium.

[Aletheides]

Originally Posted by rogercbryan

2- No one has even mentioned the cotent creation or delivery. Does anyone here see value in having a service that can automatically post fresh content either to a blog or your compnaies home page either daily or weekly? This is key word targeted content.

You're looking at the formula from a different perspective than is intended. When they say content, the content is supposed to be hosted on your website for your visitors. Good content is a key to good rankings.

Originally Posted by rogercbryan

5- The idea of generic traffic is still elusive to people as they have a problem understanding it on a large scale. When you try to drive 1000 generic visitors to your site you see no change in your ranking. But if you drive 100,000 people to your site over 3 months you see a signifigant increase in your search engine placement, your Page Ranking, and you Alexa Rankings.

This is one of the major problems I have seen beginning affiliate marketers have. They think that all web traffic is created the same, which isn't the case. Targeted traffic is going to garner you a ton more $ than generic traffic that comes from who-knows-where. As for traffic increasing your search engine placement, this is the first time I've heard that.

Good luck, hope everything works out for you.

[meaghannf]

That's not a bad suggestion for Roger. I know I, as an advertiser, would pay more for targeted ads. That could translate to more money for your users. Say an advertiser wants only users in the state of California and when you register as a user, you put in your state as CA. If you click one of those premium links, you get a slightly higher pay rate. This becomes problematic of people are saying they're from an area they don't actually live in, but if you could work out that problem, you might actually fill a very different niche (and value proposition) than a lot of the other PTC sites out there.

[capforge]

Originally Posted by rogercbryan

5- The idea of generic traffic is still elusive to people as they have a problem understanding it on a large scale. When you try to drive 1000 generic visitors to your site you see no change in your ranking. But if you drive 100,000 people to your site over 3 months you see a signifigant increase in your search engine placement, your Page Ranking, and you Alexa Rankings.

I would be very interested to see some proof of this documented anywhere else.

Why does google reward me just for having a lot of visitors- since that metric is so easily gamed? They don't. They also don't give me a higher pagerank.

And unless that generic traffic has the alexa toolbar installed and turned on, your alexa ranking isn't going anywhere, either. You knew that, right?

So, yes- conclusive proof from your test is definitely going to be required to convince anyone who knows SEO at all that this theory has any merit.

[EasyAutoSales]

Interesting debate we have going on here... it really could go a lot of ways. Honestly though, I thought you were a better business person than this when you first offered to fund 3 ideas a couple of months back. It's really a shame to see money going towards mediocre ideas. Anyway, some feedback for you below

Originally Posted by rogercbryan

What I've determined is that:
1- Traffic generation on its own has little value so it needs to be part of a packaged deal. This has lead me to not market my traffic site independently.

You would be correct in this case. Honestly, people who want to buy untargeted are idiots and there really are easier ways to generate traffic for them, (bots by proxy for one) than to setup an elaborate way to get people to sign up and pay them to click to sites. Even if you charge a client a fee and turn around and buy cheaper CPM's from ad network's pop-under to their homepages it would be a ton easier - AND they would probably stay on the page longer cause it's a pop-under!

Originally Posted by rogercbryan

2- No one has even mentioned the cotent creation or delivery. Does anyone here see value in having a service that can automatically post fresh content either to a blog or your compnaies home page either daily or wee