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    In the middle of a financial tsunami

    Fannie, Bernanke and data to rule stocks
    July 13, 2008

    By Ellis Mnyandu

    NEW YORK (Reuters) - The bears have Wall Street cornered and they just won't let go.

    This week is almost sure to be a rocky ride for the U.S. stock market as investors fret about the stability of Fannie Mae <FNM.N> and Freddie Mac <FRE.N>, the government-sponsored home finance companies that own or guarantee about one in every two mortgages in this country.

    Barring any news, say over the weekend or early this week, that quashes fears of capital constraints at Fannie and Freddie, analysts and money managers said U.S. stocks were set to fall further into the bear market's arms.

    Wall Street will focus on Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke this week, when he is scheduled to appear twice on Capitol Hill to give his semiannual testimony on monetary policy. He is set to testify on Tuesday before the Senate Banking Committee, and on Wednesday, before the House Financial Services Committee.

    Investors will latch on to anything Bernanke says about Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, as well as his take on the U.S. economy, inflation and interest rates.

    "The bottom line is that we're in the middle of a financial tsunami. This is a storm the likes of which this country hasn't seen," said Peter Kenny, managing director at Knight Equity Markets in Jersey City, New Jersey. "The market right now needs to see results. It no longer gives anyone the benefit of the doubt."

    Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, which own or guarantee almost $5 trillion in mortgages and package them into bonds, are confronted by mounting losses from loan delinquencies and foreclosures. Investors fear that if they are hampered from doing business, the paralysis will only make the housing crisis get worse.

    This week also brings a torrent of numbers from earnings reports and economic indicators. It will be one of the busiest weeks for quarterly earnings, with reports from Dow component Citigroup <C.N>, the No. 1 U.S. bank, and technology bellwether Google <GOOG.O>, the leading Web search company.

    Making the terrain even more treacherous for stock investors are worries about oil and inflation. On Friday, oil shot up to a record above $147 a barrel. This week, investors will scrutinize data on consumer and producer prices for any signs of rising inflationary pressures.

    Major economic reports on tap include the U.S. Producer Price Index and the Consumer Price Index, industrial production and capacity utilization, and housing starts.

    "I have my helmet on and my body armor on," said Frederic Dickson, senior vice president and market strategist at D.A. Davidson & Co in Lake Oswego, Oregon. "We expect it to be another volatile week with the market reacting to a triple play of earnings, oil and the mortgage agencies.

    "The market is going to remain nervous, watching developments with oil and tensions in the Middle East, and the avalanche of earnings and outlooks that will really start to hit the tape with banks and tech companies (this) week."

    OIL, PPI AND CPI

    Political tensions over Iran's nuclear work and supply worries drove oil prices to yet another all-time high last week.

    August crude gained $3.43, or 2.4 percent, to settle on Friday at $145.08 a barrel on the New York Mercantile Exchange. Earlier, it hit an intraday record of $147.27, eclipsing the previous NYMEX high of $145.85 set on July 3 -- the day before the Independence Day holiday.

    The government's report on Producer Price Index for June is set for Tuesday, followed by June CPI on Wednesday, when the Federal Reserve also is expected to release the minutes from its most recent policy-making meeting on June 24-25. At that meeting, the Fed held its benchmark fed funds rate for overnight bank lending at 2 percent.

    FANNIE AND FREDDIE FALLOUT

    Concerns about Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac's stability drove Friday's sharp sell-off, marking the sixth straight weekly drop for both the Nasdaq and the Standard & Poor's 500 Index -- their longest weekly losing streaks since 2004.

    Earlier last week, the S&P 500 entered its first bear market since 2002. It joined the Dow and the Nasdaq, which had already slid 20 percent or more from their most recent closing highs, set last October.

    During Friday's roller-coaster session, the Dow dropped below the 11,000 level for the first time since July 2006.

    For the week, the Dow Jones industrial average <.DJI> lost 1.4 percent and booked its fourth straight weekly decline.

    The Nasdaq Composite Index <.IXIC> slipped 0.3 percent for the week, while the S&P 500 <.SPX> slid 1.9 percent.

    The anxiety over Fannie and Freddie is likely to spill over into this week. As the twin pillars of the U.S. housing market, Fannie's and Freddie's troubles put the U.S. economy and its banking system at risk, according to analysts.

    "If the Fannie and Freddie crisis is not resolved, the markets are going to be in worse shape than they are right now," said John Praveen, chief investment strategist at Prudential International Investments Advisers in Newark, New Jersey.

    "There's a lot of fear and uncertainty about what is going to be the outcome," Praveen said, adding that such a resolution could occur over the weekend or this week, and it is "probably going to set the tone for the market."

    U.S. Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson offered no hint of an imminent government bailout, saying on Friday his major aim was to back Fannie and Freddie "in their current form."

    Paulson's statement followed a report in The New York Times saying that the U.S. government was considering taking over the two if their funding problems get worse.

    EARNINGS AND MORE FROM THE FED

    In addition to quarterly report cards from Citigroup and Google, this week's earnings to watch include chipmaker Intel Corp <INTC.O> and Microsoft Corp <MSFT.O>. This barrage of quarterly numbers and companies' comments on what they expect for the rest of the year are likely to make stock trading extremely choppy.

    Friday's session, marked by a spike and a pullback in the Chicago Board Options Exchange Volatility Index, illustrated just how jumpy the stock market has become. The VIX <.VIX>, which is Wall Street's barometer of fear, shot up 15 percent in midday trading to 29.44, its highest level since March 20. By the close, the VIX was higher, but more subdued. It ended at 27.49, up 7.42 percent.

    Besides Bernanke, the week's agenda includes appearances by two other Fed officials: Janet Yellen, the president of the Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco, is scheduled to speak on the housing market on Tuesday in Hollywood, California. Thomas Hoenig, the president of the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City, is set to speak on monetary policy and the economic outlook on Wednesday in Durango, Colorado.

    (Wall St Week Ahead runs weekly. Questions or comments on this one can be e-mailed to: ellis.mnyandu (at)thomsonreuters.com)

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    After the very bad news that broke at the backend of last week in the US i reckon we are in for a very very choppy times in the financial markets and i am still confinced we have some big institution that still have some bad news to be announced !!!

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    Its just been announced that Freddie and Fannie have just had a Lifebelt thrown too them from the US Treasury in the last 30 minutes that could well steady the markets tomorrow.

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    yeah the interest of the fed are the banks.....the people are secondary

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mega B View Post
    After the very bad news that broke at the backend of last week in the US i reckon we are in for a very very choppy times in the financial markets and i am still confinced we have some big institution that still have some bad news to be announced !!!
    I'm betting that Citibank will fail. It had a hand in much of the rotten paper that was flying around during the boom. The brokers have been the ones taking the body blows so far. IndyMac was a mortgage broker AND an S&L. I'm betting that one of the huge banks that bought much of the paper will go kaput, and Citi bought tons. Citi is selling a whole crapload of Citibank branches, including every branch in non-Las Vegas Nevada. Citibank is not just in Reno but in smaller towns like Fallon and Yerington, dusty places nobody's ever heard of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lambo View Post
    yeah the interest of the fed are the banks.....the people are secondary
    Sadly, this is only expected when it comes to the fed.
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    Intelligent people know that this is part of our cyclical economy. Position yourself correctly and you will be fine. The sky is not falling....

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogercbryan View Post
    Intelligent people know that this is part of our cyclical economy. Position yourself correctly and you will be fine. The sky is not falling....
    Don't be too smug. The housing boom was a huge bubble, probably the biggest since the 1920s stock market bubble. Both bubbles had the element that credit to buy "assets" was cheap and required little downpayment. So all the cheap credit poured into the market, artificially inflating prices until the prices became impossible to pay, then the bubble burst. IMO the ball is in the government's court now. It was government bungling that turned the 1929 stock bubble pop into a catastrophe, as proven by historian Amity Shlaes in the book The Forgotten Man. Obama has communist leanings like the men in charge in 1929, and like them he really has no clue. He could potentially cause another meltdown.

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    either way it will take some time for the market to recover

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogercbryan View Post
    Intelligent people know that this is part of our cyclical economy. Position yourself correctly and you will be fine. The sky is not falling....
    I like to buy poor man's gold every month: silver.

    It's a great hedge against inflation and if the dollar really gets in trouble then the price of silver is going to go up (like it has been).

    I don't really like buying now because I'm buying high, but it's good to have just in case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by byzantium View Post
    Don't be too smug. The housing boom was a huge bubble, probably the biggest since the 1920s stock market bubble. Both bubbles had the element that credit to buy "assets" was cheap and required little downpayment. So all the cheap credit poured into the market, artificially inflating prices until the prices became impossible to pay, then the bubble burst. IMO the ball is in the government's court now. It was government bungling that turned the 1929 stock bubble pop into a catastrophe, as proven by historian Amity Shlaes in the book The Forgotten Man. Obama has communist leanings like the men in charge in 1929, and like them he really has no clue. He could potentially cause another meltdown.
    The fact that you are comparing todays situation to the stock market crash of the 1920's means you have done absolutely no research on what you are talking about. There is absolutely no comparison in the severity or the formulas that created the crash of 1929.

    Wall Street Crash of 1929 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The crash of 1929 caused the market to decline by 89% in a matter of six months.

    I would love to see your sources on comparing Obama to "the communist men of the 1929 market crash". I do believe that McCain would be better for private business then Obama but I have yet to hear any references to him having "communist leanings" as you put it.

    The economy is bad... I would not argue that we are in a recession. Yet I feel confident this is a cyclical situation. Most of us who are 30 and under have lived in one of the greatest free market societies the world has ever seen. We are going on 20 or so years of strong growth with very few interruptions. Some may even say that we are in out 50th year of growth.

    I was an investor in the tech market and was ever so lucky to have bought a house in 1999 which took me out of the market. I had friends and family who lost their entire savings. They thought the world was coming to end. Again it was a cyclical situation whereby if they had been diversified instead of over invested in a risky market then they would have been fine.

    The media has over sold us on how bad it is. Unemployment is still low... here read this about the Great Depression:
    Great Depression - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Gather some more FACTS and then lets discuss this a little further... its bad but it isnt that bad...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aletheides View Post
    I like to buy poor man's gold every month: silver.

    It's a great hedge against inflation and if the dollar really gets in trouble then the price of silver is going to go up (like it has been).

    I don't really like buying now because I'm buying high, but it's good to have just in case.
    Hey... I was looking for someone else that does that... I started buying at $7 and oz... stopped at $14... I just noticed that it is at $19 an oz now.. I was considering selling off half of my silver. I would be 100% protected if I did that. What do you think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogercbryan View Post
    Hey... I was looking for someone else that does that... I started buying at $7 and oz... stopped at $14... I just noticed that it is at $19 an oz now.. I was considering selling off half of my silver. I would be 100&#37; protected if I did that. What do you think?
    Cool profit - it might go higher if the economy gets worse.

    Here's a great video I watched the other day regarding commodity investing - you might also like it.

    YouTube - Gold: The Ultimate investment for capital preservation.
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    dbl post.........
    Last edited by Aletheides; 07-15-2008 at 02:55 PM.
    If you want to be rich, sell products and services.
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    I must create a system or be enslaved by another mans; I will not reason and compare: my business is to create.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aletheides View Post
    Cool profit - it might go higher if the economy gets worse.

    Here's a great video I watched the other day regarding commodity investing - you might also like it.

    YouTube - Gold: The Ultimate investment for capital preservation.
    Interesting video.. I took from it that we are only about half way through the cyclical bull market in commodities (gold as he referenced). I guess I'll hold out and put a sell in at $16 and and $30.

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