If Website Owners would work together we'd all make more money

[KohJack]

I'm one of many owners of a web-based business. Anyone who owns a website will tell you that the hardest part of making their site a success is getting people to go to the site. I've tried Adwords and various SEO tricks but honestly I'm tired of wasting time and money. I know if I'm feeling this way then I'm not the only one.

If you know anything about SEO then you know that many of the "tricks" involve loading the internet with crap to create more "content" that will point back to your site. There are people who either pay someone or take the time out to write and submit articles online to various sites like wordpress and others simply to increase their search ranking on google,yahoo, bing or whatever. I honestly feel that if you have a web based business you must become a slave to Google's algorithm and join the rest of the "Optimizers" in loading the internet with crap and making companies like HP and Dell even richer from all of the additional servers that are being needed to store this crap.

I am proposing an alternative to the method that has been destroying the internet and making slaves of us all. I believe that we "website owners" can work together in a collaborative effort to help ourselves. I am proposing that we form a network, and I'm not talking about one like those many crappy banner exchange networks. I'm referring to one that is much more personal.

Before I elaborate on this idea I just wanted to guage interest in this idea and general concept by sharing my thoughts with some of my peers.

If you agree or disagree with my comments please tell me why or why not.

[Ske]

Why change something that has been working for years?
Just because 1 person (you) can't SEO properly, doesn't mean we all have to change.

I have created a blog with 4 youtube videos and NO advertising or SEO at all.
It reached nr.6 result on page 1.
I'm getting daily visits to my blog from google(even though it's really not much).
Imagine where i would be if i advertised the blog.

If the method you're using doesn't work, change your method.
There are plenty of options to advertise your website which don't even require money.

Good luck

[jmeijers]

That is in fact how the Internet works, especially if you want to sell things through a webshop. Of course you can always do some offline marketing in nich magazines, or do an offline viral... Be creative, there is more than one way that leads to Rome!

[KohJack]

That is in fact how the Internet works, especially if you want to sell things through a webshop. Of course you can always do some offline marketing in nich magazines, or do an offline viral... Be creative, there is more than one way that leads to Rome!

Why change something that has been working for years?
Just because 1 person (you) can't SEO properly, doesn't mean we all have to change.

I have created a blog with 4 youtube videos and NO advertising or SEO at all.
It reached nr.6 result on page 1.
I'm getting daily visits to my blog from google(even though it's really not much).
Imagine where i would be if i advertised the blog.

If the method you're using doesn't work, change your method.
There are plenty of options to advertise your website which don't even require money.

Good luck

You both make a good point. One of which is why change something that has been working for years, and the other which is, that is just how the internet works .........more simpy put that's just the way it is.

I believe it is that very approach toward internet marketing that fuels stagnation and hurts innovation. There are millions of website owners who feel that way(like you) as well and that's why Google makes billions from Adwords and SEO experts are loading the internet with the same crap on multiple websites.

What I'm proposing is not that of an idealist who doesn't understand how the internet works, but that of a realist who honestly believes that I found a better way for some not all. If using SEO tricks and PPC is profitable for you then by all means I think you should continue. But if you are one of the millions of website owners struggling for web traffic I believe that there is a way that we can work together to achieve a common goal.

[businessman413]

I totally agree with you here man. Networking is a HUGE part of being successful on the Internet. Seriously, I've had mutltiple, big time Internet Marketers tell me that. Do you know how they got most of the traffic to their websites? They used some SEO, yes. But the main stream of traffic came from JV partners. And they met those JV's by networking, and building relationships. That's a huge reason why I'm in these forums. I want to create relationships, so we can help each other out. Successful IMers come in groups, if you didn't notice. Somebody helped them get to the top, as they helped the next person.

[PsiPro]

Link exchanges are not uncommon, but the problem is that I think your hoping to create traffic out of nothing.

If you and I have sites that are compatible in their content (especially if I am selling stuff), why would I want to send my visitors to your site? And if your not competition, why are my visitors interested in visiting your site (how will your link benefit my site) ?

Generating traffic and retaining visitors is the 'old boys' club of the internet. Those with traffic get more because people talk about their site, those without traffic struggle to get a market share. Some of us are in there artificially (link spamming etc) and some of us have earned a position.

The idea that if we all worked together we would all earn more money is a joke. There is only so much money to go around and when it comes to related sites you need to establish yourself from the crowd (see the "Business is WAR" and "Business is NOT War" threads)

[KohJack]

I totally agree with you here man. Networking is a HUGE part of being successful on the Internet. Seriously, I've had mutltiple, big time Internet Marketers tell me that. Do you know how they got most of the traffic to their websites? They used some SEO, yes. But the main stream of traffic came from JV partners. And they met those JV's by networking, and building relationships. That's a huge reason why I'm in these forums. I want to create relationships, so we can help each other out. Successful IMers come in groups, if you didn't notice. Somebody helped them get to the top, as they helped the next person.

It's nice to see that someone understands where I'm coming from. The "network" that I'm referring to (which is currently in the works) is a more structured one. In the words of jmeijers, there is more than one way that leads to Rome, and this will be one of many. Essentially what I will be proposing is a network, but unlike any that currently exist for Internet Marketers.

[KohJack]

Link exchanges are not uncommon, but the problem is that I think your hoping to create traffic out of nothing.

If you and I have sites that are compatible in their content (especially if I am selling stuff), why would I want to send my visitors to your site? And if your not competition, why are my visitors interested in visiting your site (how will your link benefit my site) ?

Generating traffic and retaining visitors is the 'old boys' club of the internet. Those with traffic get more because people talk about their site, those without traffic struggle to get a market share. Some of us are in there artificially (link spamming etc) and some of us have earned a position.

The idea that if we all worked together we would all earn more money is a joke. There is only so much money to go around and when it comes to related sites you need to establish yourself from the crowd (see the "Business is WAR" and "Business is NOT War" threads)

I absolutely agree with you on the notion that link exchanges suck and I'm not in any way proposing the idea of placing irrelevant links on your website.

I also agree with you on the notion that there is only so much money to go around and that if we "all" work together it's better for everyone. I should have been more specific. The "network" I'm proposing has many rules, one of which limits entry, as do most successful networks.

I'm a strong believer in the Laissez-faire aka every man for himself or survival of the fittest What I'm proposing is not a socialistic approach to Internet marketing. It is simply another tool that will help many website owners succeed in making the internet market as efficient as possible.

I agree that there are some who have absolutely earned their position, however in the world of SEO their is no system in place to promote fair competition and economic efficiency.

What I'm proposing is based on the very old notion that there is strength in numbers.

[Ske]

It might be because i haven't read your replies very well, but i still don't understand how you're going to get traffic from creating a network full of webmasters?

There are plenty of forums full of webmasters if that's what you are trying to create.

The reason why i'm asking this is because i have plans to create something that will benefit (hopefully) alot of people, including webmasters.

[businessman413]

It's nice to see that someone understands where I'm coming from. The "network" that I'm referring to (which is currently in the works) is a more structured one. In the words of jmeijers, there is more than one way that leads to Rome, and this will be one of many. Essentially what I will be proposing is a network, but unlike any that currently exist for Internet Marketers.

Ok, I guess I don't exactly see what your talking about here, but I'm open to hearing anything.

[KohJack]

It might be because i haven't read your replies very well, but i still don't understand how you're going to get traffic from creating a network full of webmasters?

There are plenty of forums full of webmasters if that's what you are trying to create.

The reason why i'm asking this is because i have plans to create something that will benefit (hopefully) alot of people, including webmasters.

I have no intention of creating a forum. I would like to hear more about your idea, maybe we share a similar vision.

The network that I am speaking of will not be one that generates traffic magically to anyone's site, but it will help all who take part in it increase their traffic and make more money with their site without having to trick consumers or play SEO games. The network I speak of is not for everybody. It will be for like minded site owners with one common goal (making more money)

[thefreshmaker]

Kohjack this sounds like a great idea. If you need any help just tell me and I'll help you out sounds like a revolutionary idea to fight the power!

[sk24iam]

making more money is my goal, so I'm in haha

[KohJack]

Kohjack this sounds like a great idea. If you need any help just tell me and I'll help you out sounds like a revolutionary idea to fight the power!

Lol, somebody's gotta stick up for the little guy

making more money is my goal, so I'm in haha

Cool, it's good to see that there are others willing to embrace change to make change.

[businessman413]

I'm interested to see what you have planned...