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    Exclamation How Bad Do You Want Success?

    Every marketing expert has his or her own theory about what it takes to be successful. But more often than not, it comes down to pure desire. In other words, how bad do you want it? So that's my question. How bad do you want success? Are you willing to do whatever it takes within reason to achieve your dreams...or do you have a limit on how far you'll go before you quit?

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    You have try, try and try again, if something does not work out for you there are multiple other ways you can approach that subject and re-do it.

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    "Every marketing expert has his or her own theory about what it takes to be successful. But more often than not, it comes down to pure desire. In other words, how bad do you want it? So that's my question. How bad do you want success? Are you willing to do whatever it takes within reason to achieve your dreams...or do you have a limit on how far you'll go before you quit?

    Dale King"

    Personal opinion here only, of course:

    I think that it is misleading to think that success ultimately comes down to pure desire. However, that is not to say that desire does not play a part.

    Success comes down to a combination of factors, without any of which one will have little opportunity for success:

    - Opportunity selection
    - Implementation strategy
    - Knowledge and capabilities
    - Ability to adapt
    - Attitude
    - Desire, determination, and perseverance

    The mere desire to succeed is just not enough. For example, it doesn't matter how badly I want to flap my arms and fly and how hard and long I try, it's just not going to happen. This is a rather extreme example, but it makes the point.

    Still, I wouldn't go so far as to say that choosing to discontinue the pursuit of something is to quit. Technically, quitting is just that, but quitting has come to take on a meaning in business of accepting defeat. A more accurate and promising way to look at this is to view it as a calculated decision to allocate resources (time, money, and resources) in a more profitable way. In fact, I greatly respect someone who has the foresight to recognize that appropriate times to "cut one's losses" and move on. It is a rational decision based upon the weighing of costs, benefits, and risks, and nothing more.

    What does everyone else think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmenq2 View Post

    I think that it is misleading to think that success ultimately comes down to pure desire. However, that is not to say that desire does not play a part.

    Success comes down to a combination of factors, without any of which one will have little opportunity for success:

    - Opportunity selection
    - Implementation strategy
    - Knowledge and capabilities
    - Ability to adapt
    - Attitude
    - Desire, determination, and perseverance

    The mere desire to succeed is just not enough.

    What does everyone else think?
    I disagree, J.

    Pure desire is the basis of success because it will give birth to an individual accomplishing the combination of factors you just mentioned [opportunity selection, implementation strategy, knowledge and capabilities, etc].

    If an individual [like the entrepreneur] does not have desire [to achieve substantial success, particularly monetary success], then they will NOT acquire and apply the other practical factors [again, listed in your reply] to GAIN success.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TheCDAllenGroup View Post
    I disagree, J.

    Pure desire is the basis of success because it will give birth to an individual accomplishing the combination of factors you just mentioned [opportunity selection, implementation strategy, knowledge and capabilities, etc].

    If an individual [like the entrepreneur] does not have desire [to achieve substantial success, particularly monetary success], then they will NOT acquire and apply the other practical factors [again, listed in your reply] to GAIN success.

    Brilliantly said. No need for me to add anything to that, because that was just brilliant!

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    "I disagree, J.

    Pure desire is the basis of success because it will give birth to an individual accomplishing the combination of factors you just mentioned [opportunity selection, implementation strategy, knowledge and capabilities, etc].

    If an individual [like the entrepreneur] does not have desire [to achieve substantial success, particularly monetary success], then they will NOT acquire and apply the other practical factors [again, listed in your reply] to GAIN success."

    I agree with your comment, but I think that you are off base in disagreeing with me. The issue was whether pure desire, in and of itself, is sufficient for success, not whether it is the basis for success, and your response indicates that you actually DO agree with me.

    Again, the issue was whether pure desire, in and of itself, is sufficient for success.

    You are quite right in your statement that pure desire is "the basis of success because it will give birth to an individual accomplishing the combination of factors you just mentioned [opportunity selection, implementation strategy, knowledge and capabilities, etc]."

    With no desire to do something, you have no incentive to take the steps necessary to successfully make it happen.

    If that is your line of reasoning, then we seem to actually be seeing eye to eye.

    See, pure desire, no matter how great, is not enough for success. It is a requirement for success, but it is not the sole determinant of success. Rather it is a combination of desire and all the other factors I listed that enable success. It does not matter whether desire is the REASON for accomplishing the other factors, at the end of the day, you must have the combination of them to be successful, not just desire itself.

    Another way of saying this, I suppose, is that desire alone will not lead to success. You must take that desire and use it to acquire other necessary tools to achieve success. Thus, there MUST be more there than JUST desire.

    See what I mean? I am not discounting what you said, I just think that we are actually in agreement as to the fact that desire is a necessary requisite to success, though it is not the ONLY requisite to success.

    What does everyone else think?

    Is desire itself enough for success? Or in other words, if you have a strong enough desire and nothing else (no proper opportunity selection, implementation strategy, knowledge and capabilities, ability to adapt, or attitude), will you be successful in anything that you attempt to do?

    Or must there be other things, whether you obtain them as a result of your desire or not, in order for you to be successful?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dale King View Post
    Every marketing expert has his or her own theory about what it takes to be successful. But more often than not, it comes down to pure desire. In other words, how bad do you want it? So that's my question. How bad do you want success? Are you willing to do whatever it takes within reason to achieve your dreams...or do you have a limit on how far you'll go before you quit?

    Dale King
    There should be no boundries to your success. Every roadblock has a key solve to it. Life is a test and so is your success. If you keep digging at it little by little, everyday will get you one step closer to your main goal. Desire has a lot to do with it. Desire of your goals is what drives most of us.
    Great post as usualy Dale, thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dale King View Post
    Brilliantly said. No need for me to add anything to that, because that was just brilliant!

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    Let me ask you this then, because I am still unconvinced that desire alone is sufficient for success:

    Provide me an instance where pure desire, and pure desire alone, is sufficient for success, assuming that none of the other factors I presented as necessary for success exist.

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    I think that everyone is missing the point that desire is merely a piece of the puzzle. Can anyone provide an instance where desire ALONE is sufficient for success, assuming none of the other factors I suggested?

    If so, I will have to applaud and reconsider my opinion of the requirements of success, but at this time I think that it is not enough on its own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dfveteran View Post
    Desire of your goals is what drives most of us.
    That's exactly right, Lisa. Desire is what drives most of us to do the other things necessary for success. Desire forces us to take action, and when you take action, doors magically open and opportunities arise!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmenq2 View Post
    I think that everyone is missing the point that desire is merely a piece of the puzzle. Can anyone provide an instance where desire ALONE is sufficient for success, assuming none of the other factors I suggested?

    If so, I will have to applaud and reconsider my opinion of the requirements of success, but at this time I think that it is not enough on its own.
    Joshua, no one here is missing the point. We're all expressing our opinions. So far, the prevailing opinion is that desire is the foundation for success. I've never seen a successful person that didn't have desire first. No, you can't be successful with just desire alone. But it's desire that creates the other elements necessary for success - such as implementation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dale King View Post
    Joshua, no one here is missing the point. We're all expressing our opinions. So far, the prevailing opinion is that desire is the foundation for success. I've never seen a successful person that didn't have desire first. No, you can't be successful with just desire alone. But it's desire that creates the other elements necessary for success - such as implementation.

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    Now we're all starting to get to the same place!

    First, my name is Jonathan.

    Second, I agree wholeheartedly with the prevailing opinion that "desire is the foundation for success." However, your initial post stated, "[M]ore often than not, [success] comes down to pure desire."

    My interpretation of this statement, and this might be a mistaken interpretation, was that at the end of the day, if you have nothing else, enough desire is sufficient to be successful. In other words, I interpreted your initial post to indicate that pure desire is sufficient, in and of itself, to reach success, not merely that pure desire is the foundation of success, but that success ALSO requires other elements which I listed.

    If that is not what you meant, than I clearly misunderstood.

    However, if it IS what you actually meant, that success is purely dependent upon desire and nothing else, then I still disagree and ask you to point to an instance or two where desire, in and of itself, is sufficient for success, assuming no other factors which I listed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmenq2 View Post
    Success comes down to a combination of factors, without any of which one will have little opportunity for success:

    - Opportunity selection
    - Implementation strategy
    - Knowledge and capabilities
    - Ability to adapt
    - Attitude
    - Desire, determination, and perseverance
    Jonathan, I apologize for calling you Joshua. That being said, I find it interesting that you have desire at the very bottom of your list, when every expert that has written about success places desire at the very top of their list of things that are required to achieve success. I suggest you read, Napoleon Hill's classic, "Think and Grow Rich."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dale King View Post
    Joshua, I find it interesting that you have desire at the very bottom of your list, when every expert that has written about success places desire at the very top of their list of things that are required to achieve success. I suggest you read, Napoleon Hill's classic, "Think and Grow Rich."

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    A bulleted list (versus a numbered list) is intended not to indicate value, preference, or any other ranking measure. The relative placement of the factors in my list is clearly not indicative of their value, as I chose to use bullets rather than numbering for just that reason. However, I suppose I could have made that even more clear for those not familiar with list stylings by adding that the order of the items in no way indicates their relative value. My apologies.

    And I have read the book already and also recommend it.
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    Jonathan, I have no interest in continuing this ridiculous dance. Let's just agree to disagree. I'm cool with that. In the meantime, I found an article that sums up my feelings about desire quite nicely.

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    How important Is Desire?

    By: James Heller - King Wood Dreamweaver Videos


    “If you want something and don’t get it, that means you really didn’t want it, or you tried to bargain over the price.” Rudyard Kipling

    How do you keep your fire of desire lit? Desire really is the reason behind everything we do. It is the base-rock of all our achievements. Without desire few if any accomplishments will be seen in your life. It is one of those intangible items of life. Necessary but unseen. Absolutely essential if I want to become successful.

    Desire is what keeps you from sitting in front of the TV set all evening or even just for a show or two. Desire is what keeps you from going out with friends to the local coffee house and solving all the problems of the world. It is desire that makes you pick up the phone one more time. It is desire that arranges one more business prospecting meeting. It is desire that keeps you going when you feel like it is quitting time.

    But desire does not just keeping burning by it self. It is just like a campfire that needs to continually be watched and cared for. More wood needs to be put on. The coals may need to be stirred. You cannot have heat without a flame. You do not want a campfire that just gives off smoke. It may look like there is a something there but that is all – just looks like something promising.

    Almost everyone at sometime or other gets caught up in a passing fancy. Fads come and go. Often we let our desire operate like a fad. Something comes along and looks appealing so we “give it a try.” We want to see if it is something that will just take off and burn brightly without a lot of effort on our part. Not long after another opportunity catches our eye and so we give that a try for a little while. Success will never be found when you go from one opportunity to the next. Never really being committed to learn and perfect the business. These passing moments of desire will never help you get to where you want to go.

    There are a whole lot fewer people who have a desire burning like a blazing fire. They are committed to keep that fire burning. Top achievers and income earners have an obsession to accomplish their goals in life. A challenge becomes and opportunity to learn. When they think about the possibilities and rewards of what they are doing it is better a caffeine injection with an espresso.

    We must always have a clear desire of what we want to accomplish or where we want to get to. If we don’t we will take the first exit that comes along after a disappointment of a lost sale. If you have a Plan ‘B’ then Plan ‘A’ will fail. Your desire cheers you on. Your desire gives you hope. Your desire gives you inspiration and energy.

    Developing a desire does not automatically happen. You must feed and care for that desire. This consuming desire cannot be seen or touched. But those you come in contact will know if you have it or not. Those who have great desire are people we greatly respect.

    Without desire there is no hope. Without desire there is no goal. Without desire there is no spirit. Without desire there is no flame. Your fire of desire needs to be lit because it is the driving force behind your own success. Johany Roman has a burning desire to change his life. He has set goals and works to achieve them. jroman.edc.com
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