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    Help With This Start-up

    Recently I tried to sell back a textbook at my college's bookstore. The previous semester I purchased an accounting textbook for $118.00, however when I tried to sell it back the bookstore employees only offered me $8.50. With that being said I have been contemplating an idea.

    With the current economic downturn, local libraries are seeing increased traffic due to individuals seeking a cheap form of entertainment and looking to create employment related documents. Millions of college textbooks are gathering dust on bookshelves around the world. Most of the owners will most likely pitch them into the garbage.

    The idea I have been thinking about would consist of gathering unwanted, outdated college textbooks and creating a "research library." Along with the textbooks, the "research library" would feature single rentable office space, and a computer lab to teach classes and so forth.

    I haven't crunched the numbers yet, textbooks would be gathered through donations. The biggest costs would be for the computers, 30@1000.00, and the facility (4500 sq. ft. @ $150.00 a sq. ft. )

    What do you think?

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    Well it's an idea, and every idea has a shot. If you have $50,000 to spend starting it up, go for it. But you really need to weigh the pros and cons of this before doing anything, because that is a large sum of money to lose, also it'd be hard to get a loan for this type of thing even with perfect credit.

    Don't get depressed over what I say, I just want you to plan it out before you do anything.

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    Teaching from outdated books??
    Storage for outdated books??
    Doesn't ring the winner bell to me, sorry.....

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    I did some pretty basic computations, I forgot to add payroll to the additional expenses. It may be feasible for a larger city/town, or near a college campus. You are correct, any commercial loan like this would require 20% down and an immaculate credit rating, which I have neither. Most college texts only last 2-4 semesters which presents an opportunity. How to capitalize it though?

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    Hey Ctash,
    From what you've explained, I understand that, firstly, one problem is that you paid quite a considerable amount for a textbook, which now being second hand, has lost most of it's purchase value. Secondly, you mentioned that there are a lot of individuals visiting local libraries for cheap entertainment and also for employment-seeking purposes. Now, what I'm trying to understand is how the solution of a 'research library' as you proposed solves the first problem, and how does it relate to the second situation (of individuals increasingly attending local libraries)?
    I don't see the logic, or rationale whereby I can say that your idea soundly meets a need, unless of course there is some reason or some issue you have yet to mention.
    Also, there a plenty of websites which allow students to freely access certain textbooks, also to trade or sell their old textbooks, and even websites that treat textbooks as open source content so that in the event that a new edition comes along, these can be updated and accessed freely online, avoiding the need to buy the newer edition.
    As to the individuals in the libraries more often than usual, I do see this as an opportunity to capitalize upon this market environment, however I'm not so sure that a research library is a great monetary opportunity, nor would the fact that you would have an accumulation of old text books be of any educational significance considering that libraries already provide this, and also your research library would be always one step behind if its key source of content is older textbook editions, therefore its educational benefit to students would likely be minimal. To gain something out of this, its probably better to move away from the whole 'text-book' idea and treat it separately to the situation of individuals gathering at libraries. Therefore, your at a cross road where you'll have to ask the fundamental question of whether of not these individuals would want/need a 'research library', or whether I can provide a better solution to selling or using old textbooks than those already available online, and lastly whether or not I can find ways to capitalize on the new and emerging social environment created from individuals gathered at local libraries.
    I think your idea of the "research library" doesn't follow logically with your reasons of why it is needed/wanted or with the problem/situation aforementioned. It's more likely that you may have muddled these individual and separate ideas to form an altogether alien solution.
    I understand that I may have been overly critical, however I'm confident that you'll appreciate that, overall, ideas as such are refined by such criticisms.
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    Cheaper Computers (Sorta)

    The company I work for has a device, the X300, that can create more workstations out of one PC. It could reduce your cost per workstation to around $200 per station. Check it out here: ncomputing.com/Solutions/Xseries/XSeriesOverview/tabid/459/language/en-US/Default.aspx

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    We all know that the primary goal of a business incubator is to help start-ups grow and network. With rentable office space, conference space, a tech lab, and a collection of college textbooks, the "research library" would be a notch below a business incubator due to the application process and registration. Where I am from (East Tennessee), the education of the area is lacking, and I feel that such a venture could be beneficial to the area. If you go to any library you can find texts dating to the past couple decades. The college textbooks would be the maximum of three years old.

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    I agree, this business idea would definitely be beneficial to a community in which education is lacking. This will cover some ground in terms of providing an alternate educational solution to students or individuals. In terms of money-making, this idea will least likely - in its initial phase - be a big or considerable money making venture, because (1) You will be spending a significant amount of money to fund and run it, (2) you will have to find a reliable and steady means of making money from the services you provide or from other provisions your research library will offer (i.e. Coffee stall) which will be somewhat difficult, (3) those students/individuals that make up your target audience (market) are likely to be unemployed or underpaid and therefore tight for money themselves and not a reliable source of potential income for your business, but borderline minimum at most. These are indeed challenges, and I have a sense that your not so much interested in the money making aspect, but more so in simply helping people, specifically those students in the community who are financially burdened, thus have lesser prospects in terms of getting the most out of the education (as they may or may not be able to afford text books) and who are likely out of work due to a variety of other factors. You seem adamant to go through with this, so I'll try provide some proactive criticisms.
    If your going to have, strictly, a research library then you may want to consider that you will be competing, in essence, against other local libraries. Now it may not readily dawn upon you that you would even have competition in this field in terms of this field being at all a competitive one - but the reason why this is important is because you want individuals to come and use your facility, therefore it has to provide them with services, resources and tools that the local libraries already provide, otherwise they'll stick around the libraries that can and have already fully facilitated for their needs, and that they are already so familiar with. So your research library will have to have a reasonable level of technical adeptness, a satisfactory quality and number of resources, and a proper variety of administrative services, in order to draw a sufficient number of individuals, other than relying on individuals to come because it would be at first less crowded, or come out of casual curiosity, or some other indirect reason. By having an up-to-scratch library, you'll more likely keep your target audience, they will most likely refer you to their friends, and this is important because you don't want to buy so much equipment and invest so much capital into this and have little to no one using it.
    What I feel would better transform this idea is if you were to not totally take this from the educational perspective, but rather take this from the social/cultural perspective. In other words, your goal of creating an education rich environment will not necessarily come by focusing on educational/technological aspects (as many other groups and institutions more professionally cater for this), but instead to drive a focus on the cultural and social environment around these students and individuals. You may want to integrate into your research library an idea of a lounge area or cafe', create a culture which will draw them to your facility and have it as a part of student campus life or community social life. It would be less recognizable as a research library, but individuals will identify it as a place to hang out, chill out, whilst getting work done and doing some job-seeking tasks. So to radically transform your idea of a research library, you may want to incorporate into your 'research library' elements of a 'casual lounge', 'cafe, coffee bar', 'light entertainment, short stage acts, movie/film screening', 'provide lectures, speeches, presentations, topical debates, talks, forums, have guest speakers', 'debating, trivia comps, design comps, academic-related challenges'. This will definitely keep your target audience hooked, as I am more so confident that they'll come based on the specific examples mentioned above than for that of which other libraries already provide. So this will single out your 'research library' to not actually be a research library but be a core for student life and utilities. That's if your thinking big and different, and it can possibly become a great money maker, if you franchise this model.
    You can go down a different road and simplify your idea by not getting your own space but by making a proposition to a local library or to a campus library and run your operation from there as an extension of their services or as an extra/additional service of the institution (student run of course) - this way you can accomplish the fundamental tasks of your idea (such as providing textbooks and utilities for job seeking) without having to pay rent, and possibly avoid having to pay for all equipment and costs as the institution may give you a small grant or pay a certain percentage of it.
    Or you could maybe start smaller by just providing services for older texts books at first, where you could act like a small library, or as a loans company, loaning older or newer textbooks like you would a DVD from a Blockbuster store (transforming your concept further), or if your having difficulty or hesitancy in getting office space, you can run the operations online such as have an online website acting as the sole interface, with an electronic catalog of the textbooks you have (which you can store them at home or on campus/library grounds) whereby individuals can search and request the textbooks and you can arrange a set pick up time, at a set place, doesn't have to be a public place, could just be in the car park and your car could act as delivery truck, lol. But basically these approaches focus on starting small and growing with demand whilst reserving your money till you can be more informed as to better spend it, because the risk of starting big is that you may fail to draw the sufficient numbers your looking for, therefore by starting small you can make more accurate projections as your business/'research library' grows. So you could start by only dealing with the whole text-book thing first, then expand to further areas as your number of customers/clients grow, and as demand increases.
    So, overall, these are two tangents where you can take your 'research library' idea to: which is thinking big and transforming it into a social hub, or thinking small and simplifying it into a straight-forward, uncomplicated linear process of loaning textbooks.
    That said, I think your idea needs a certain transformation as to make it, not just 'another' research library, strictly speaking, but something more, as with this student demographic it has the potential to become much more (i.e. like facebook). Otherwise if your intention is to strictly make a research library then definitely go ahead with it, taking into full consideration, as another person has mentioned, the pros and cons.
    Hope this helps.
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    Yeah, as a web designer I dont read books older than 2007, this is not a good idea unless you are a complete beginner and the books dont really out date to begin with.

    30@1000.00, and the facility (4500 sq. ft. @ $150.00 a sq. ft.

    you can get used computers from $50 that are P4's and from $300 new
    4500sq ft, $150? Everywhere I have seen it is about $12-$30 per square foot per year.

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    Chabz: You are correct, adding community oriented lectures, speeches, presentations, would add more value to the "research library." Once a successful model is developed and proven successful, franchising the concept is the best measure of profitiablity. To add about the education where I am at, elected officials have been discussing constructing new facilities for over 8 years. All of the schools in the district need immediate improvement. I was surfing the net and found a quote from an individual stating, "a facility is as important as the curriculum which is being housed"

    Dalex: Web technology is rapidly changing, so selecting books on the topic may be a general overview of html, css, etc. As a beginner myself to writing code, older sources will be beneficial. The 4500 sq. ft. @ 150 per sq. ft. is a construction estimate for a facility. When starting out this is not feasible, however it gives a good estimate of what I could do with 10% of that amount.

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    It's an interesting idea. I say go for it, even if you fail, you'll know what not to do the 2nd time around...

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