Giving Advice on YE

[usakos]

It's funny sometimes.

Because, some of us come on to this site, looking for help or just trying to find or learn more about certain business stuff.

And, some of us come on here to just socialize, more like a hang out place for us, let's just call it a country club for young entrepreneurs.

But the real funny thing is this;

some of those asking certain questions on here and get responses to their questions sometimes don't really value and appreciate the answers given and just be grateful to the user giving the advice.

Because, some of us on here have a successful track record of creating successful businesses or have been involved in successful projects or have served in senior/upper level management and for that, what we give or share on here sometimes is just so priceless.

Actually, some of us here get paid good money, just to speak at certain events/conferences, just to talk about our experiences.

What I am trying to say is this; when someone offers you free advice on something you have asked for, at least be courteous to show some kind of appreciation, and not be so ungrateful, because every time someone types to answer your question or just to give you some kind of advice on what you've asked for, it takes a lot of time, and sometimes might have to do a little research on what you've asked.

So, stop BEING UNGRATEFUL and START APPRECIATING more of what you're given without paying for it.

[mattonline]

i agree, but many do appriciate the advice given i think

[ChaseManset]

You're getting what you paid for. Free advise is free. Go to school and get an education.

[jasaunders]

I agree usakos. The fact is, if you don't agree with the advice or answer given, a polite thank you is all that is needed. Thank you for taking the time to offer advice and/or your opinion. You accomplish nothing by becoming argumentative (unless it is to further debate a given topic and have a constructive argument, which most on this site are not).

[radreality]

Go to school and get an education.

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That’s great advice for a wanna-be entrepreneur!!
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Hiring a business consultant would be much cheaper and you would learn so much more. A lot of young entrepreneurs might disagree with that, but people who have been in the game for a good chunk of their life and are successful, will agree.

off topic, but o'well.

On Topic:
I think people are grateful for things they understand. Sometimes the information provided to them might be way over their head, so therefore they don't understand it, and therefore think its irrelevant and therefore aren't grateful for it. Even when a person asks for advice, they still often need to learn things the hard way.


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[roadtoharvard]

Most people are looking for support for a decision that they have already made. Any other advice contrary to that is discarded.

[pbradish]

You're getting what you paid for. Free advise is free. Go to school and get an education.

That's a pretty ridiculous statement If I've ever seen one. Some of my most successful associates (other entrepreneurs) never went to or finished college.

[ChaseManset]

That's a pretty ridiculous statement If I've ever seen one. Some of my most successful associates (other entrepreneurs) never went to or finished college.

That is a "ridiculous" speculation. Do me a favor and define both successful and entrepreneur for me.

My bet is that you don't know a single entrepreneur. Owning a small business doesn't classify you as such.

[radreality]

Owning a small business doesn't classify you as such.

Your Correct. STARTING a business will classify you as such. I'm sure thats what most people usually mean when they say they want to own a business.

There are a lot of entrepreneurs who have built profitable companies who have not gone to college. There are also a lot who have gone to college. That is obviouse, anyone who argues those facts is ignorant.

Everyone has their own opinion on how much college helps you or not. I personally chose not to pursue a degree, and it had nothing to do with the cost. I did take a few business classes and found that I was able to gain more relevant knowledge out in the real world instead of in a classroom for what I wanted to achieve. Some people might need college, because they learn best in a simulated environment or that is the main way they know how to gain knowledge.

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[rossco1]

i'm pretty sure 90&#37; of us are very thankful for the useful information provided by fellow members and contributors.

its the small minority that don't.

no big dramas...

[fromantv]

i am thankful!!!!!!!!!

[silversurfer]

I challenge anyone to move into management at a major corporation without a masters degree. HR at the company I work at recently instituted a policy that every employee must have at least an associates degree and that 60% of our staff had PhDs or Masters. We do high-tech consulting. This means all the secretaries had to finish up at least a 2 yr degree. And they did. And their writing improved immensely.

I challenge anyone to learn physics and astronautics needed for satellites on the job. Try it. You can probably open a hot dog stand or buy and sell houses without a degree, but our CEO got his PhD in his 50s JUST TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO THE RIGHT RECRUITS AND CLIENTS about aerospace issues. It's not a matter of "learning on the job" it's a matter of a company rejected by gatekeepers and not allowed at the table.

I'm not sure I'd work for another company where the CEO had less than a masters. It makes a lot of difference.

[usakos]

I challenge anyone to move into management at a major corporation without a masters degree. HR at the company I work at recently instituted a policy that every employee must have at least an associates degree and that 60% of our staff had PhDs or Masters. We do high-tech consulting. This means all the secretaries had to finish up at least a 2 yr degree. And they did. And their writing improved immensely.

I challenge anyone to learn physics and astronautics needed for satellites on the job. Try it. You can probably open a hot dog stand or buy and sell houses without a degree, but our CEO got his PhD in his 50s JUST TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO THE RIGHT RECRUITS AND CLIENTS about aerospace issues. It's not a matter of "learning on the job" it's a matter of a company rejected by gatekeepers and not allowed at the table.

I'm not sure I'd work for another company where the CEO had less than a masters. It makes a lot of difference.

I agree with this one 100%. Back in the old days, people would get by without college education, but today it's almost hard to find a good paying job or promotion without a college degree.

For me, college education is more important, but it's not just having a degree these days, but also where you got your degree, especially if it's an MBA.

[pbradish]

That is a "ridiculous" speculation. Do me a favor and define both successful and entrepreneur for me.

Straight out of the dictionary:

Successful
1. Having a favorable outcome: a successful heart transplant.
2. Having obtained something desired or intended: was successful in stopping the leak of oil.
3. Having achieved wealth or eminence: a successful architect.

Entrepreneur
1. A person who organizes, operates, and assumes the risk for a business venture.

Firstly, I consider myself an Entrepreneur. I'm now onto my second business after selling the first. I consider that to be a success because a) Not many are able to reach a point where they can comfortably sell a business and b) It was a hefty sum of money that changed our lives.

My bet is that you don't know a single entrepreneur. Owning a small business doesn't classify you as such.

On the contrary, per the dictionary reference above I consult for at least three of them on a daily basis - and many others prior to them.

And as far as education goes, I know that it's still a great thing to have. I have my degree and worked in corporate IT for a couple of years but it just wasn't for me. Without that degree or my certifications, I probably wouldn't have had the positions that I did in the corporate world. I'm just saying that school education isn't everything, and there are plenty of other kinds out there. I suppose that's the interesting part about being an entrepreneur, technically you don't need any sort of schooling or degree - you control your destiny.

[radreality]

I challenge anyone to move into management at a major corporation without a masters degree. HR at the company I work at recently instituted a policy that every employee must have at least an associates degree and that 60&#37; of our staff had PhDs or Masters. We do high-tech consulting. This means all the secretaries had to finish up at least a 2 yr degree. And they did. And their writing improved immensely.

I challenge anyone to learn physics and astronautics needed for satellites on the job. Try it. You can probably open a hot dog stand or buy and sell houses without a degree, but our CEO got his PhD in his 50s JUST TO BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO THE RIGHT RECRUITS AND CLIENTS about aerospace issues. It's not a matter of "learning on the job" it's a matter of a company rejected by gatekeepers and not allowed at the table.

I'm not sure I'd work for another company where the CEO had less than a masters. It makes a lot of difference.

I'm sorry. I thought this was a forum for people who wanted to own their own businesses.

I agree with what you said, but its only relevant for people who want a regular job.


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