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    Economic Meltdown

    Where do you think the U.S. economy is headed? And how will you be affected?

    America's economy risks the mother of all meltdowns
    By Martin Wolf | Yahoo News
    Tue Feb 19, 1:25 PM ET

    "I would tell audiences that we were facing not a bubble but a froth - lots of small, local bubbles that never grew to a scale that could threaten the health of the overall economy." Alan Greenspan, The Age of Turbulence.

    That used to be Mr Greenspan's view of the US housing bubble. He was wrong, alas. So how bad might this downturn get? To answer this question we should ask a true bear. My favourite one is Nouriel Roubini of New York University's Stern School of Business, founder of RGE monitor.

    Recently, Professor Roubini's scenarios have been dire enough to make the flesh creep. But his thinking deserves to be taken seriously. He first predicted a US recession in July 2006*. At that time, his view was extremely controversial. It is so no longer. Now he states that there is "a rising probability of a 'catastrophic' financial and economic outcome"**. The characteristics of this scenario are, he argues: "A vicious circle where a deep recession makes the financial losses more severe and where, in turn, large and growing financial losses and a financial meltdown make the recession even more severe."

    Prof Roubini is even fonder of lists than I am. Here are his 12 - yes, 12 - steps to financial disaster.

    Step one is the worst housing recession in US history. House prices will, he says, fall by 20 to 30 per cent from their peak, which would wipe out between $4,000bn and $6,000bn in household wealth. Ten million households will end up with negative equity and so with a huge incentive to put the house keys in the post and depart for greener fields. Many more home-builders will be bankrupted.

    Step two would be further losses, beyond the $250bn-$300bn now estimated, for subprime mortgages. About 60 per cent of all mortgage origination between 2005 and 2007 had "reckless or toxic features", argues Prof Roubini. Goldman Sachs estimates mortgage losses at $400bn. But if home prices fell by more than 20 per cent, losses would be bigger. That would further impair the banks' ability to offer credit.

    Step three would be big losses on unsecured consumer debt: credit cards, auto loans, student loans and so forth. The "credit crunch" would then spread from mortgages to a wide range of consumer credit.

    Step four would be the downgrading of the monoline insurers, which do not deserve the AAA rating on which their business depends. A further $150bn writedown of asset-backed securities would then ensue.

    Step five would be the meltdown of the commercial property market, while step six would be bankruptcy of a large regional or national bank.

    Step seven would be big losses on reckless leveraged buy-outs. Hundreds of billions of dollars of such loans are now stuck on the balance sheets of financial institutions.

    Step eight would be a wave of corporate defaults. On average, US companies are in decent shape, but a "fat tail" of companies has low profitability and heavy debt. Such defaults would spread losses in "credit default swaps", which insure such debt. The losses could be $250bn. Some insurers might go bankrupt.

    Step nine would be a meltdown in the "shadow financial system". Dealing with the distress of hedge funds, special investment vehicles and so forth will be made more difficult by the fact that they have no direct access to lending from central banks.

    Step 10 would be a further collapse in stock prices. Failures of hedge funds, margin calls and shorting could lead to cascading falls in prices.

    Step 11 would be a drying-up of liquidity in a range of financial markets, including interbank and money markets. Behind this would be a jump in concerns about solvency.

    Step 12 would be "a vicious circle of losses, capital reduction, credit contraction, forced liquidation and fire sales of assets at below fundamental prices".

    These, then, are 12 steps to meltdown. In all, argues Prof Roubini: "Total losses in the financial system will add up to more than $1,000bn and the economic recession will become deeper more protracted and severe." This, he suggests, is the "nightmare scenario" keeping Ben Bernanke and colleagues at the US Federal Reserve awake. It explains why, having failed to appreciate the dangers for so long, the Fed has lowered rates by 200 basis points this year. This is insurance against a financial meltdown.

    Is this kind of scenario at least plausible? It is. Furthermore, we can be confident that it would, if it came to pass, end all stories about "decoupling". If it lasts six quarters, as Prof Roubini warns, offsetting policy action in the rest of the world would be too little, too late.

    Can the Fed head this danger off? In a subsequent piece, Prof Roubini gives eight reasons why it cannot***. (He really loves lists!) These are, in brief: US monetary easing is constrained by risks to the dollar and inflation; aggressive easing deals only with illiquidity, not insolvency; the monoline insurers will lose their credit ratings, with dire consequences; overall losses will be too large for sovereign wealth funds to deal with; public intervention is too small to stabilise housing losses; the Fed cannot address the problems of the shadow financial system; regulators cannot find a good middle way between transparency over losses and regulatory forbearance, both of which are needed; and, finally, the transactions-oriented financial system is itself in deep crisis.

    The risks are indeed high and the ability of the authorities to deal with them more limited than most people hope. This is not to suggest that there are no ways out. Unfortunately, they are poisonous ones. In the last resort, governments resolve financial crises. This is an iron law. Rescues can occur via overt government assumption of bad debt, inflation, or both. Japan chose the first, much to the distaste of its ministry of finance. But Japan is a creditor country whose savers have complete confidence in the solvency of their government. The US, however, is a debtor. It must keep the trust of foreigners. Should it fail to do so, the inflationary solution becomes probable. This is quite enough to explain why gold costs $920 an ounce.

    The connection between the bursting of the housing bubble and the fragility of the financial system has created huge dangers, for the US and the rest of the world. The US public sector is now coming to the rescue, led by the Fed. In the end, they will succeed. But the journey is likely to be wretchedly uncomfortable.

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    Sort of makes me want to move to Canada or convert my savings...

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    Quote Originally Posted by malahverdian View Post
    Sort of makes me want to move to Canada or convert my savings...
    Speaking of moving to Canada, my partner, a very liberal fellow, said that he would move to Canada if Hillary were elected President. Interesting.

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    Yes, that is very interesting. I always love those comments.

    What they are essentially saying is that when people criticize their candidate, they reply "Hey, that's the beauty of this country, we can voice out opinions and function as a democracy because of those who sacrificed before us." Then, the person they "hate" is elected and they are "moving to Canada".

    What a great job of respecting, remembering, understanding, the purpose of this country and ANNIHILATING your noble and "bleed red white and blue" thoughts from before. Don't be fake, shut your mouth and realize that this country, whether lead by Dem's/Repub's, hell Coco the Chimp for all I care, is a nation of smart and amazing people, who will strive for the best and work together, sans party lines, to progress and keep this country the best and free.

    I for one, am not afraid to say I am republican and would have loved to see Romney in that house...but God help me if I am going to deal with -30F temps and skating to and from work just because Hill n Bill are back in the office.

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    IMO alot of the media uses gloom and doom scare tactics. CNBC had record ratings in January because of it. We've gone through tough times in the past, and they usually followed up by robust economic conditions.
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    The main fault I see in the article above and as summarized in the last paragraph, is that it relies too heavily on a connection between the housing market and the U.S. economy. The thoughts from economists at the federal reserve are that the housing market only makes up a tiny portion of the overall market, less than 2%. So even a housing crisis, which I don't think we are in, wouldn't alone affect the economy enough to have this big of an impact.

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    However, the economy is largely affected by consumer confidence. If the downbeaten housing market greatly affects consumer confidence, regardless of how much of the market it makes up, couldn't it actually have a much larger effect on the economy as a whole?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GuyBBY View Post
    What a great job of respecting, remembering, understanding, the purpose of this country and ANNIHILATING your noble and "bleed red white and blue" thoughts from before. Don't be fake, shut your mouth and realize that this country, whether lead by Dem's/Repub's, hell Coco the Chimp for all I care, is a nation of smart and amazing people, who will strive for the best and work together, sans party lines, to progress and keep this country the best and free.
    Coco the Chimp, I believe we have one of those right now.

    Sounds like someone needs to brush up on the current state of our government and take a closer more critical look at our government's actions, and motives, rather than taking a dogmatic pride in what was once a great country.

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    While the anarchist in me would love to see a systemic collapse leading to the smashing of the global capitalist power structure by starving masses of people, the realist in me realizes that the aftermath would likely be extremely unpleasant. Either there would be a) a Sierra Leone style civil war all over the globe b) a world king who would cause a nuclear war or c) the Muslims taking over. Any way you cut it, modern humans just aren't ready to govern themselves anarchistically. I personally think that the most likely is (a), in which case all of us on this board will be too busy fighting in guerrilla armies to worry about businesses. I personally wouldn't mind being a guerrilla, but I doubt most young people are that sadistic. I really don't think the governments of the world can bail us out of this one. Indeed, the governments are likely to go under too. Try and dig up "The Coming Anarchy", which appeared in Atlantic Monthly in 1990. I know it's on the net because I've seen it.

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