Are Entrepreneurs Loved or Hated?

**Corey Bryant** · 07-11-2007 10:58 AM

I was actually typing up a response to Definition of entreprenuer but then it became more of thread hijacking, so I thought I would create my own thread.

I had been thinking about this for quite some time and actually wrote a blog about it just yeterday (Entrepreneur to Corporation).

Most of us want to make a lot of money and live a comfortable lifestyle. And we all seem to appreciate the entreprenuer spirit. But when does that appreciation become so hated because the entreprenuer has made so much money?

**radreality** · 07-11-2007 11:32 AM

I'm not sure if I fully understanding this thread or not. The typical entrepreneur is more broke than the typical W2-er; its a way of life usually until you see some success with your projects.

I have never heard justifiable hatred toward entrepreneurs. I've never even heard anything valid from liberals.

The only hatred I have heard is just caused from a misunderstanding of facts.

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**Corey Bryant** · 07-11-2007 12:20 PM

Well let's say there is an entrepreneur John Doe. Doe creates some service that now most people rely on. Now it is a corporation of course, and he makes millions a year.

Some people have a timeline even when they start a business, by year XXXX, they wish to sell the business or something.

Or would you even consider Doe an entrepreneur? He started his own company, went out on a limb and now it has paid off

**fromantv** · 07-11-2007 12:25 PM

they get hated ON...but not hated, unless people really have a personal problem with a person....they get hated ON (aka jealousy)

**silversurfer** · 07-11-2007 03:54 PM

Originally Posted by radreality

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I have never heard justifiable hatred toward entrepreneurs. I've never even heard anything valid from liberals.

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are you telling me you think most entrepreneurs aren't liberal? what area of the country is that, because it's not the east or west coasts where conservatives stay in conservative dead end jobs.

end of that myth right there. I am laughing out loud at your mistake.

what I find so silly is that the comments I get from my conservative friends are always that, "I grew up here, I speak English, why does that immigrant own the dry cleaners? whine whine whine, complain complain immigrants complain" I mean come back to reality dude. I mean Rush Limbaugh has made an entire career catering to people who will never make anything of their lives and think everyone else is taking advantage of government programs that they never get off their duff to take advantage of. Liberals are the entrepreneurs changing society and exploring untapped, untraditional markets.

But then again, when I had contracts with the Pentagon people thought they were a bastion of conservatism (not), so I know there's a lot of falseness on the Faux news channels about the way the country is.

Sorry, but I've had enough from the conservative whinalots this week.

**ChaseManset** · 07-11-2007 04:16 PM

Originally Posted by radreality

I'm not sure if I fully understanding this thread or not. The typical entrepreneur is more broke than the typical W2-er; its a way of life usually until you see some success with your projects.

I completely disagree. It all depends on how one defines entrepreneur. I tend to lean toward a Schumpeterian view and define an entrepreneur as innovative.

These "entrepreneurs" you speak of are mearly business replicators, trade specialist, etc.

**radreality** · 07-11-2007 04:28 PM

Originally Posted by ChaseManset

I completely disagree. It all depends on how one defines entrepreneur. I tend to lean toward a Schumpeterian view and define an entrepreneur as innovative.

These "entrepreneurs" you speak of are mearly business replicators, trade specialist, etc.

First of all, trade specialists are not entrepreneurs. As defined by the dictionary, an entrepreneur is someone who starts a business. Can't argue with the facts, lol.

Also, most entrepreneurs when starting out, before they are successful, are more broke that a typical person who has a regular job. Its a fact, ask any reputable business consultant.

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**radreality** · 07-11-2007 04:45 PM

Originally Posted by silversurfer

are you telling me you think most entrepreneurs aren't liberal? what area of the country is that, because it's not the east or west coasts where conservatives stay in conservative dead end jobs.

end of that myth right there. I am laughing out loud at your mistake.

what I find so silly is that the comments I get from my conservative friends are always that, "I grew up here, I speak English, why does that immigrant own the dry cleaners? whine whine whine, complain complain immigrants complain" I mean come back to reality dude. I mean Rush Limbaugh has made an entire career catering to people who will never make anything of their lives and think everyone else is taking advantage of government programs that they never get off their duff to take advantage of. Liberals are the entrepreneurs changing society and exploring untapped, untraditional markets.

But then again, when I had contracts with the Pentagon people thought they were a bastion of conservatism (not), so I know there's a lot of falseness on the Faux news channels about the way the country is.

Sorry, but I've had enough from the conservative whinalots this week.

are you a socialist? Open your eyes. Conservative policies benefit the business community more; history has shown that.

Its unfair for you to take cheap shots at some conservatives in the spotlight, you are simply ignoring the liberals who do the exact same things. People on all sides of the political spectrum do things that others might not like.

I think you are a socialist, because your friends don't sound very conservative. They must just be conservative compared to you.

Most of us are business people on here, and I hope we all would want laws that don't restrict us on acheiving our goals nor give others an unfair advantage.

Its funny you say conservatives whine a lot, because conservatives say the same things about liberals. Its interesting how the same exact things can be said for all sides. You have to acknowledge that, right?

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**wully00** · 07-11-2007 06:33 PM

I know a fair share of conservative and liberal entrepreneurs. Like they always say, its way safer to work for yourself. I don't consider betting on myself gambling....

That liberal comment was kinda out there though.

**radreality** · 07-11-2007 06:38 PM

Originally Posted by wully00

That liberal comment was kinda out there though.

I thought it was funny lol. But I guess some people get too defensive and can't stand a little political humor.

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**akula** · 07-11-2007 11:51 PM

err...ok....

Are Entrepreneurs Loved or Hated?

sure, the GEM identifies various social barriers for nascent founders, like the tall poppy syndrome..although it's more pronounced in some countries more than others

For example, in US, wealth is interpreted as a sign of virtue (i.e. wealthy people are good people), but in Europe and Asutralia, wealth is interpreted as a sign of good luck (i.e. wealthy people are lucky people)

In my experience, entrepreneurs are pretty much always hated (on a social level), because no other attitude is possible, because many entrepreneurs don't follow the etiquette of entrepreneurship. A sucessful business person, by definition, is gonna make others around him fell inferior - hence, people with these feelings will react badly to those who make them feel that way

That's why all you guys should really keep a lid on the whole "want to make a lot of money and live a comfortable lifestyle" thing. Saying these things to other people will do nothing but alienate them towards you. If you wanna get ahead in life (and not alienate others) one's hopes for one self have to be non material..and if you've ever had the misfortune to deal with a founder who squeezes your margins, you'd hate him to

There's nothing more annoying than an inwardly ambitious founder...the correct etiquette, is to be outwardly ambitious and hope to improve the lives of everybody else other than your self. If you follow the etiquette, you will not be hated, you will be admired, and people will volunteer to work for you, rather than against you

Entrepreneur profile supporting the points above

**zoobie** · 07-12-2007 12:59 AM

Originally Posted by akula

There's nothing more annoying than an inwardly ambitious founder...the correct etiquette, is to be outwardly ambitious and hope to improve the lives of everybody else other than your self. If you follow the etiquette, you will not be hated, you will be admired, and people will volunteer to work for you, rather than against you.[/URL]

I totally agree with this. It's so selfish if we just only think of ourselves. Before thinking of the money we can make out of our business, think first if the people are happy with what you offer them and if they are happy to be part of your product. If you make money, they do make money, too.