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    Angry any business can fail right?

    I was posting a couple of business ideas on threads, and on every response I got was..........." Well this wont work!! Its rediculouse!"

    Dont you think every business could be doubted? There is risk in opening any type of business...right?

    If there is sooo many wise people in here...instead of telling me what wont work, help me by telling how it would work better or tell me an easier way that could actualy work...

    EXAMPLE: I wanted to start my Advertsing site...but people refused, and said its a bad idea, and suggested it wouldnt work because you would need traffic! Well duh, any site that you make needs traffic, even a personal site is NOTHING without traffic...

    So instead of telling why it would NOT work, tell me how its possible to make it succede...

    I know what you migt think. "well your ideas were just crap, thats all" well if my ideas were crap and I didnt consider my self an entrepreneur how did I make money with other ideas, all Im saying im not that stupid, I know what works what doesnt, I made money before. I wouldn't call myself and expert but Im proud with some accomplishments that I have made, and to me an advertising site isnot IMPOSSIBLE...

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    I think that any idea will be doubted most of the time by most people .

    Don't let it get to you.

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    Second that.. There is a dream stealer around every corner.

    If you are going to be a business owner get ready for the negative comments. Its just the jealous side of people showing through.

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    It doesn't matter what business you go into someone will tell you that you are mad, and will undoubtedly end up poorer than you. many businesses don't fail per se, they get to a point where the owner makes enough money not to close them but can't quite break through to the next level. After a while it gets tedious so they either sell up or close down and try something else. Once you have your idea, and get up and running you are ahead of 99% of people who tend to just sit around and talk without doing anything. If you get stuck use the forums, or read some books and you should be able to unstick yourself

    Good luck

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    Yes, there are a lot of pessimists out there, but you have to remember you're posting these ideas in an entrepreneur’s forum. Most these people either have their own business, or have been gathering information to start one and (hopefully) have some business knowledge. We all want to see each other do well. Don't take the critizms so harshly, we just don't want to see others make a simple mistake that could have been avoided. I'm not saying your business is a good idea or bad, I didn't read your post, but keep your head up and think of ways to take their critizms, find solutions and make your concept stronger. Just my two cents…

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    Why do you need other approval to start your business idea? Entrepreneurs are action takers. "just do it". You do not know if it work until you take action. Asking around will get you no where. Most people won't know whether a new business work or not. Don't let them get you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rfouke
    Second that.. There is a dream stealer around every corner.

    If you are going to be a business owner get ready for the negative comments. Its just the jealous side of people showing through.
    NO, you are wrong and you are shortsighted for saying that.

    If somebody wants to be genuinely supportive of an entrepreneur (unlike you), out of a choice of two options (i.e. being affirmative or critical), the best rational option is to be critical.

    Example:

    1) I want to help an entrepreneur
    2) An entrepreneur throws up a pitch
    3) If I affirm that it's a good pitch, I risk leading the entrepreneur into a black hole because there's a very high chance that I might be wrong in assessing that the entrepreneur has a good idea.
    4) Therefore, to lower the risk of leading an entrepreneur down the wrong path, it's rationally more productive to be critical.
    5) Because it's very expensive and time consuming to set up functioning businesses, it's more prudent for the entrepreneur to firstly negate the risk of failing, before taking action to succeed. Entrepreneurs should only be able to afford to do "sure things", because they don't get enough swings at the ball to be able to afford to get things wrong.
    6) Therefore, because of pt 5, if somebody genuinely wants to support an entrepreneur, she will make it her job to steer entrepreneurs away from failures, rather than spotlight-lighting paths to success.

    The only people who should be telling entrepreneurs "oh yeah, that's a good idea, I think you should do it", are those invested in the venture. Everyone else has no right, because it's not their money or careers that are on the line.

    It's you who are the dream stealer. Like a Seinfeld episode, people like you encourage founders to sink their lives into hopeless ventures - stealing their opportunities to do anything else.

    Get a fucking clue you dimwit

    You don't have the expertise to tell an entrepreneur whether what they are doing is a good idea. The only reason why you support entrepreneurs is to make your self feel better. You don't care whether entrepreneurs fail. Other people do.
    Last edited by akula; 02-01-2007 at 10:26 PM.

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    what a cry baby

    you're an embarrassment

    stop crying you crybaby

    go and get some customers


    Quote Originally Posted by Denis3721
    I was posting a couple of business ideas on threads, and on every response I got was..........." Well this wont work!! Its rediculouse!"

    Dont you think every business could be doubted? There is risk in opening any type of business...right?

    If there is sooo many wise people in here...instead of telling me what wont work, help me by telling how it would work better or tell me an easier way that could actualy work...

    EXAMPLE: I wanted to start my Advertsing site...but people refused, and said its a bad idea, and suggested it wouldnt work because you would need traffic! Well duh, any site that you make needs traffic, even a personal site is NOTHING without traffic...

    So instead of telling why it would NOT work, tell me how its possible to make it succede...

    I know what you migt think. "well your ideas were just crap, thats all" well if my ideas were crap and I didnt consider my self an entrepreneur how did I make money with other ideas, all Im saying im not that stupid, I know what works what doesnt, I made money before. I wouldn't call myself and expert but Im proud with some accomplishments that I have made, and to me an advertising site isnot IMPOSSIBLE...

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    all of you people who have a problem consistently telling entrepreneurs that they are wrong about everything, should go and try start some actual businesses

    you'll find out very quickly how much everyone hates the office suck up.

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    If you really truely have a drive to succeed, then in time you'll make it. Let's look at Abe Lincoln. Business failure, early political career failure...How do we think of him now? He practially failed his way to success. Brainstorm, take action, adjust if it doesn't work, think and try again. Get advice from peers but take it with a grain of salt - it's a dog eat dog world, even when it comes to motivation.
    If you want to be rich, sell products and services.
    If you want to be insanely rich, create and control markets.
    I must create a system or be enslaved by another mans; I will not reason and compare: my business is to create.
    Read The Richest Man in Babylon - first published in 1926, timeless wealth-building principles.

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    Wow Akula blowing it all up right there

    Good message though

    Denis the advertising idea had no potential. Sorry but it didn't.

    And to the dude who said we were jealous, no I'm not, I'm someone who knows a thing or two about what he's doing - or did you miss that thread about launching a site and within 24 hours being on major tv, newspaper and radio?
    Mat Newton's blog - Learn from my mistakes and successes as I go about starting a new business.

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    Wow I'm impressed by your ability to fly off the handle at a whim. I appreciate that you are absolutely perfect in all that you do. It might have been prudent to ask for clarification rather than blow up. The fact is that i agree with all 5 of your points in your example.

    My comment about dream stealers was directed at those that have no clue about starting a business. I was just sending a warning to make sure that when critics your plan to make sure that (1) its from a credible source (2) they have your best interest in mind.

    Dream Stealers that i talk about are people who have not a clue what it takes to start and or run a business and make recommendations based on their opinions rather than fact, experience or even education.

    I made no recommendation that her business would succeed.. I was just saying that there will always be those who have a difference in opinion and that the Negative comments will always come. I was not saying that anyone in particular was Jealous of her business plan. But that in her own personal circle there will always be people that may not want her to succeed for one reason or another. Jealousy may be one of them. Fact is, not everyone has the balls to even try and find a way out of the employee rut.

    Take a deep breath man..

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    do I sound like I care about any of this petty shit

    the best way to support entrepreneurs is not to support them

    the good ones will always work everything out for them selves

    it's in their job description

    the bad ones can go to hell

    it's in their job description
    Last edited by akula; 02-02-2007 at 12:09 PM.

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    If all you have in your posts if people telling you what a great idea it is, how they think you're going to be successful, etc...it's really not that helpful is it?

    From someone who runs a business, I would much prefer that people I discuss ideas with are critical. If it's MY idea, I usually believe it will work and may not be as critical of my own idea as someone else. At worst, it gives me some ideas about how to change it so that it's more effective. At BEST, it helps me to see the other side and keeps me from wasting countless hours on a terrible idea.

    Anyway, it's hard to take you seriously with your terrible spelling and grammar. Your misuse of words (being totally honest with you) makes me think you put the same amount of time and effort thinking and planning your ideas as you do checking your posts.

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    Remember that guy with the online grocery store down in Florida? He wouldn't listen to a word anyone said.
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