This is a pointless board.

**Lemonade** · 01-02-2011 09:08 PM

I don't normally complain about boards on sites but this board is useless. Use this thread to support the board or show your disapproval with it as I have. I want to know why this board even exists and why anybody uses it.

Quoted from a sticky in this board: "Young Entrepreneur wants to celebrate women entrepreneurs who have broken through the obstacles that all entrepreneurs face, as well as the ones that are unique to women." Women have problems? List some because this sounds sexist in and of itself.

Edit: Don't take this as me bashing women. Take it as me bashing sexism (which y'all should obviously be happy with). Explain to me how this board isn't sexist and I'll back off. Remember I'm not calling anyone sexist just because they use the board - I just wan't to know the reasoning behind it.

Originally Posted by LarkMiller

Ahhhhh I still don't like being called a woman entrepreneur. It's offensive to me. Starting your own business requires you to be a leader, it should not matter what sex you are. Unfortunately these are the ways of society.

Have a productive day!
- Lark Miller

Originally Posted by wdywft

Lark - I totally agree. If we call ourselves women entrepreneurs, then we too are sexist.

**stand856** · 01-03-2011 07:37 AM

So instead of complaining and bashing, tell us on how would you improve the board?

**Lemonade** · 01-03-2011 11:36 AM

Take it out - if it has no point then it is simply taking up space.

Unless, of course, YE wants to support sexism?

**BizGuy** · 01-03-2011 01:10 PM

Lemonade,

Thank you for your note. This Women Entrepreneurs section was started on YoungEntrepreneur due to the many requests we received from women entrepreneurs. Its in no way supposed to be taken as anything but a way to recognize some amazing Women Entrepreneurs just as we do here when we recognize great 'young' entrepreneurs. Just like the government organization SCORE recognizes them as well: Resources for Women Entrepreneurs | SCORE
There are also dozens of Women Entrepreneurial Conferences which are extremely popular as its more of a way to gather like-mined women that share similar passions. We also recognized the top female entrepreneurs who inspire us: Self Made Magazine – Young Entrepreneur – Small Business & Entrepreneur Community
The moderation team at YE moderates all the forums and as stated here (if anyone chooses to post any sexist comments, they will be banned from this forum). We simply do not tolerate them. Keep It Clean - Sexist Posts Will Be Removed

Best Regards,

-Adam

**Lemonade** · 01-03-2011 09:52 PM

Originally Posted by BizGuy

Lemonade,

Thank you for your note. This Women Entrepreneurs section was started on YoungEntrepreneur due to the many requests we received from women entrepreneurs. Its in no way supposed to be taken as anything but a way to recognize some amazing Women Entrepreneurs just as we do here when we recognize great 'young' entrepreneurs. Just like the government organization SCORE recognizes them as well: Resources for Women Entrepreneurs | SCORE
There are also dozens of Women Entrepreneurial Conferences which are extremely popular as its more of a way to gather like-mined women that share similar passions. We also recognized the top female entrepreneurs who inspire us: Self Made Magazine – Young Entrepreneur – Small Business & Entrepreneur Community
The moderation team at YE moderates all the forums and as stated here (if anyone chooses to post any sexist comments, they will be banned from this forum). We simply do not tolerate them. Keep It Clean - Sexist Posts Will Be Removed

Best Regards,

-Adam

So if it's popular and accepted by a group of people, then it is fine? Regardless of the intentions of the board, it is sexist. If I want to rave about how white people are awesome and all they have achieved while not at the same time raving about what black people have done (or at least have a place to do so) then this is discrimination. You don't have to put down a group of people to discriminate, putting the opposite group above does the job just fine. If you would like to install a mens entrepreneur board then do so but if not then I feel this board should no longer exist. It is kind of a joke to have a sticky against sexism while the board it self is sexist. This is just like having a slave while having rules that the slave can not be racist - doesn't work since having the slave is racist in and of it self. The fact of the mater is if YE wants to support the promotion of women entrepreneurs then it should treat them as any other. Having a special board just for them is sexist and obviously has no ground. All you have fed to me are lines about how other people support women entrepreneurs but you have not said one thing to convince anyone that it is not sexist. If you read my post you would notice the quotes I got from the sticky which you have noted above. I read it throughly and nothing I have said is sexist - it is actually the exact opposite. If you feel the need to ban me for trying to end sexism then that is your choice but I hope you can at least do it and also show it to other members and feel comfortable with your decision.

**rubyblack** · 01-03-2011 10:53 PM

I believe there are always those who will find a dark side to everthing. If this section helps just one woman to feel comfortable among peers to discuss, create and accomplish her goals then so be it!

**Lemonade** · 01-04-2011 03:00 PM

Originally Posted by rubyblack

I believe there are always those who will find a dark side to everthing. If this section helps just one woman to feel comfortable among peers to discuss, create and accomplish her goals then so be it!

Discrimination has helped people feel comfortable and above others for a long time. This is exactly what you're saying: "Hey everybody, lets elevate women so they can feel some self worth!" Does it make it right just because it makes someone feel good about themselves and "comfortable among peers to discuss, create and accomplish [their] goals"? Honestly if I was a woman I wouldn't want to be referred to as a "Female Entrepreneur." An entrepreneur is an entrepreneur and if you don't feel comfortable with that then how can you expect yourself to succeed out in this world today?

**rubyblack** · 01-04-2011 04:44 PM

I believe that we will agree to disagree on this point, lemonade. However, you are discussing your views on a website called "Young Entrepreneur". What does that mean? Have you read the questions, comments and replies under the heading?
The positive rewards outweigh the semantics.

**Lemonade** · 01-04-2011 09:22 PM

Originally Posted by rubyblack

I believe that we will agree to disagree on this point, lemonade. However, you are discussing your views on a website called "Young Entrepreneur". What does that mean? Have you read the questions, comments and replies under the heading?
The positive rewards outweigh the semantics.

So we should avoid the problem rather than assess it? What about the website 'called "Young Entrepreneur" '? And you must not understand what I'm saying. Just because some people accept it doesn't make it right. Women face the same exact problems males face in entrepreneurship - unless you can show me some legitimate differences in which case I'll step down.

**rubyblack** · 01-05-2011 10:04 AM

Let's go back in time to help clarify the need for this thread.

It is only in recent years that women have been accepted into the business world. Prior to the 2nd world war women primarily took care of the home and children. If they did not marry some became school teachers or nurses. The percentage of women attending university in anything other than education was slim. Since women entered the work force they have had to fight for equal pay and the ability to climb the corporate ladder.

Many women in today's workplace have had to face many different scenerios than most men. There are childcare issues, credit issues (the ability to establish credit), and establishing credability to name a few. All of which follow women into the entrepreneurial ring. There is less support for women other than the support and understanding that women can give other women to keep reaching for the stars.

Sure, there are many women out there who do just fine in the workforce and in business in general, but this thread is for those of us who are still trying to identify with women who have become successful. That is why Oprah became so successful, her following was mostly in awe of where she came from and what she made of herself, but she wanted to empower other women to accomplish what they wanted to attain.

You may never understand, but you might just want to try to look at things differently. Just because it does not suit your purpose does not mean that it is wrong - it is just not for you, and as I stated previously, if this thread helps just one more woman reach her goals than that is good! It is very important as an entrepreneur to maintain an open mind and remain flexible in your opinions.

All the best to you in all of your endeavours!

**Lemonade** · 01-05-2011 12:46 PM

Recent years? WWII ended in 1945. Change takes time, yes, but I'm thinking (or at least hoping) women would agree that things are equal now. Men and women will always have their separate interests but that doesn't affect the entrepreneurial world. Someone opening a make up shop and someone opening a fishing shop is going to have the same main questions. Where to locate the shop, how to find whole sellers, how to hire, how to advertise and etc.

So rather than bringing the male and female entrepreneurs together as one to help each other, we should instead keep them separated? I think women (and men) who blame their lack of success on their gender are simply looking for an excuse. There are plenty of successful women in society and if one thinks they are getting injustice then they have rights to back them up and pursue legal actions. If you're going to sit here and tell me that women are taken advantage of and are not paid equally then please give me some cold hard facts. Also I'd like you to explain the 'child care issue' because I found that completely out of place. How can you set child care next to credit issues. And by credit issues, what are you referring to?

I don't see how you can keep saying that I'm against it because it doesn't suit my purpose. Do you even know my purpose? Me posting in this thread and even if the board was taken down or kept up doesn't affect me or my purpose what so ever. I'm just trying to get to the bottom of things and show the people here that this board doesn't have to exist. Men and women can discuss entrepreneurial goals and problems together - one doesn't need a gender specific board to feel self worth so get up and start reaching your goals. We won't bite. Keeping this board up can only prolong the feelings that women have against themselves. Your reason for this board is to help women that don't have faith in themselves but the thing is it's only hurting. If I come to a forum and I find a specific board for my type of person and see comments of people not feeling self worth, that would just make me feel worse about myself. However if I go and find myself accepted and no board just for my 'disability' as you seem to claim it, then I would feel much more comfortable. People change through acceptance, not segregation.

**Adnerb** · 01-14-2011 04:10 PM

Why don't you just let the "people" decide for themselves, that's democracy. If this is pointless to you then don't use it. If someone uses it they must be getting something out of it, so it is useful to them.

**Lemonade** · 01-19-2011 01:31 PM

Originally Posted by Adnerb

Why don't you just let the "people" decide for themselves, that's democracy. If this is pointless to you then don't use it. If someone uses it they must be getting something out of it, so it is useful to them.

Sounds like that would require a forum wide vote.

**JohnGalt** · 01-19-2011 02:04 PM

I didn't know this forum sub-category existed but now I am going to post here all the time because it seems like a good place to pick up young women who might be wealthy in the future.