YE Egos

[radreality]

I'm not saying that I am completely innocent when it comes to this, but has anyone else felt that a lot of threads lately have been more about defending your own ego or trying to break down someone else?

It feels that a lot of the time people are talking about things that they have no business talking about. I feel sorry for the founders of YE, I doubt this is what they want.

Maybe this is just me, who knows. Does anyone else feel like this?

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Robert Falk
Business Developer / Investor
Self Help & Success Forum

[DXTINC]

I see a lot of misguided information given out as facts, which is to be expected given the demographic of this site. There are also many here who are young and have yet to accomplish anything substantial who are unbelievably close minded.

One thing I find odd about this site is that there seems to be a general disregard for traditional forms of higher education. People seem to think that somehow if a person goes to college and gets a degree it means that they cant cut it in the real world. Nobody is discounting the abilities or knowledge of those who attended the school of hard knocks, but I dont see the opposite as true. I sense a lot of people on this board could benefit from broadening thier horizons a bit.

[Dale King]

I agree with both of you guys. I also sense an overall, general lack of respect on this forum.

But it all starts with the moderators. They allow way too much off-topic, peripheral crap to be posted.

It's like they don't even care if members disrespect each other.

"The Stealthy One," Daniel Briere seems to be the only moderator trying to keep things in order around this place, but he can't do it by himself.

Dale King

[bopa media]

I have to agree with DXTINC, there seems to be a general disregard for higher education. Many people are, I guess you could say committed to one way of thinking and find anything contrary to that to be false even if in fact it is not. I’ve also noticed a lot of people, talking about things they have no idea about, some of the recent posts are very misguided or misinformed and I feel sorry for someone who reads them and takes it as fact (there a post about angel investing that i honestly laughed at). There also seems to be much more bashing each other instead of helping, maybe I’m missing the good posts but this is what I see, but i'd much rather see this as a community where opinions are valued and quality help is given.
I just as guilty of bashing peoples ideas too I just wish the mods could delete some of the rubbish some people post b/c some of it’s laughable and alot of spam i noticed just yesterday

[Cognition]

I don't think there is a disregard for higher education. I'm an advocate for higher education. However, I don't view higher education as the "magic key" to success, riches, and wealth.

Obviously, when someone like me posts something that would be anything different than worshipping a degree framed on someone's wall, they easily get offended. Why? Because making light of their 4-8 years of post high school education [even though a lot of it may have been in vain] is offensive - it's hard to hear someone [like me] discredit the widely accepted idea that if you get an MBA for instance, they you are guaranteed success and are given the red carpet that is only for the intellectually privileged.

I try to keep my mind open at all times. But I don't believe in magic keys. I try and respect everyone, but I don't respect those who make light of my age, race, or abilities.

[bopa media]

(ok how to say this in a nice polite manner attempting to help)
I'm not saying an MBA for example is the key to success, im just trying to say people on here discredit them since they feel starting a business is the end all be all.

howd that sound

[Cognition]

I'm not saying an MBA for example is the key to success, im just trying to say people on here discredit them since they feel starting a business is the end all be all.

The end-all, be-all of what?

[Create]

I have only been here a few days and the "YE Ego" that you are talking about in this thread has somewhat bothered me. Enough to the fact when I see it come out in threads (i.e. "home as an asset") I quit posting in that thread.

Disagreements are simply disagreements. People are always going to feel differently on theories, education, work, and life. You can't change the way someone feels by telling them they can't feel that way without substantial backup.

[bopa media]

The end-all, be-all of what?

Some people on this board equate owning a small business as the only way to financial success and freedom

certainly it can be, but there are other ways as well, and my point was that people discount the traditional path, i dont know the stats but i would bet the success rate of the avg business and the success rate of someone crackin 150k+/yr in business are similar. And if we measure success based on income (which i did, it's not right but w/e it's an easy way to gauge) i made a bit more at my old job and i know people who make more than im sure i can ever make through my business who worked a normal corp job.

[Cognition]

Some people on this board equate owning a small business as the only way to financial success and freedom

Well, I certainly don't think that owning a small business is the end-all, be-all to financial success, although it can lead to that.

and my point was that people discount the traditional path

Some may discount it, but I think the majority of people [primarily this forum] don't desire the traditional path that the overwhelmingly majority of society takes. Some want something else for their lives, and to be different. I respect that. Some don't want a life of trading time for money, which is, in my opinion, the most inefficient form of producing income.

I just think that it's not just money that they are seeking, but financial freedom. They'd gladly live in a studio apartment for 5-10 years if they knew their plan to becoming financially free [with a thorough plan] was very feasible. In this day, we see how people are constantly tied up with their jobs, overstressed, working overtime, and some just don't want that, especially doing something that they genuinely don't like.

Does any of that make any sense?

And if we measure success based on income (which i did, it's not right but w/e it's an easy way to gauge) i made a bit more at my old job and i know people who make more than im sure i can ever make through my business who worked a normal corp job.

Maybe so. Rather than an income point of view, I think some [myself included] just desire to call something their own. In essence, they would rather compromise on their salary to actually own their own business, something that would contribute to their own personal ego, rather than saying they work for someone else.

[pbradish]

I swear - education is more controversial than religion on this forum .

And I agree with Rad, DX, and Dale King. Perhaps another quality moderator or two could help solve the problem?

I was smack dab in the middle of an education debate here on YE last week. Never again. Looking back, it was probably one of those threads that should have been nipped in the bud before it even picked up steam.

[bopa media]

I mean, i enjoy a good argument as much as the next person and it is the off topic section of the board so you can really talk about whatever you want to an extent, i think that there should be some sort of not ranking system but maybe you could give people points or something when they make creditable discussion points and take them away when they dont and send them to a sub forum to earn points. I think that would greatly increase the quality of discussion, but i have no idea how you would make a system like that.


And to CDALLEN,

I totally understand how people would rather own something, i switched from a corp gig to my own company and havent looked back, personally it was a choice about life style and not wanting to sell my soul to earn a buck. I was just saying some people here tend to look down on formal education as a waste of time almost that you could have been using to grow a business or the traditional job route is a waste of time, when education can greatly help your business. But each person is different some people like knowing they get a pay check every month and others like to take more risk and each has it's pros and cons, i just would certainly never discount a quality education

[radreality]

This is actually turning out to be a good thread so far. Thanks everyone for keeping it that way.

i think that there should be some sort of not ranking system but maybe you could give people points or something when they make creditable discussion points and take them away when they dont and send them to a sub forum to earn points. I think that would greatly increase the quality of discussion

Its funny you mention this. Its not very hard to integrate something like that. There is a reputation system on RAD Reality. Reputation increases for every post you make, but readers can also report positively or negatively to each post to help or hinder your reputation number.

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Robert Falk
Business Developer / Investor
Self Help & Success Forum

[bopa media]

i think a ratings meter would be great and if they could make it specific to different topics or maybe to each sub forum. Personally i know nothing about an internet business so i wouldnt have any points there but i might give good advice in the advertising section (i would hope thats what i do hah) and then people could see that other people respect this persons opinion and that it might be valued or correct at times. Although this can work the inverse way as well, if a group of people start agreeing with someone who is wrong and they all build up each others reps, like if some MLM craze took over

[radreality]

i think a ratings meter would be great and if they could make it specific to different topics or maybe to each sub forum. Personally i know nothing about an internet business so i wouldnt have any points there but i might give good advice in the advertising section (i would hope thats what i do hah) and then people could see that other people respect this persons opinion and that it might be valued or correct at times. Although this can work the inverse way as well, if a group of people start agreeing with someone who is wrong and they all build up each others reps, like if some MLM craze took over

yeah, no system would be perfect forever, but something is better than nothing.

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Robert Falk
Business Developer / Investor
Self Help & Success Forum