The Path Of Joe

**Sleek Media** · 01-16-2006 01:53 AM

Hey, y'all.

I've had a pretty crazy journey getting to where I am. I still havn't found the financial success I have been looking for, but I am confident that I will soon enough. I've spent alot of time searching, and have gone great distances to find what I was looking for. I've also learned alot from my experiences.

I'm considering writing a book on my experiences, and how all the things I've learned have changed me. It'd be my real life adventure to reach my goals in life. I wouldn't release it until I finally reach my goals and can finish the story. Maybe some people would find it inspiring or intriguing.

I'd love to hear your opinions on this. Would you like to read such a book? Do you think I should sell it in stores or make it free online? Let's hear your voice!

Joe

**nado** · 01-16-2006 02:23 AM

A) Depends on what sort of businesses etc you did to become successful

B) Depends how successful you become

C) Depends on your personality

D) Depends on your writing style

E) Depends on how interesting the story is

... and if you're only going to be writing about how you became successful with just one business, I wouldn't buy it. Richard Bransons book is very interesting... if you could mimick this type of book with your ventures then it may sell.

Start online, make it free... begin a blog.

**Sleek Media** · 01-16-2006 06:19 PM

Umm...yeah. This isn't a how-to book or some sissy self-help motivational book. It's strictly entertainment for those who like to observe the experiences of others. Of course, it is free to interpretation.

Also, all five of your criteria are things you'd learn while reading the book. How strange that with such requirements you've read any books at all.

Joe

**CP Mr Ofevaw** · 01-16-2006 07:55 PM

Originally Posted by Sleek Media

How strange that with such requirements you've read any books at all.

Joe

Huh? I sure won't put my two cents in if that's how the opinions you asked for are going to be treated.

**nado** · 01-16-2006 08:15 PM

lol agreed Mr Ofevaw

Sure, I don't read many books due to lack of time, which is why I'm very selective.

I was basically saying in the previous post, I believe to sell a business-experienece book successfully you not only need to have been successful, but have a personality in your writing and as a public figure.

Most of these books which have sold millions of copies such as Bransons autobiography, Rich Dad Poor Dad and Trump's books are all basically stories for entertainment and not how-to books.

And the major reason these books sell is because of the person behind them. Branson, Kiyosaki and Trump have become successful through doing some really cool stuff which is pretty interesting (well not really trump, since his riches were originally inherited).

I noticed that you run a graphic design business? Is this all you do? All you have done? .... If so, it won't sell as a published book. If you can take the business to be one of the well-known design businesses on the web, then you can probably sell an ebook on your experiences to wanna-be graphic designers.

But people like Branson can sell an autobiography worldwide to almost anyone, since he tells the story from the beginning when he had nothing.. and grew the Virgin brand into a massive empire.

cheers
nathan

**akula** · 01-16-2006 08:40 PM

Originally Posted by Sleek Media

Hey, y'all.

I've had a pretty crazy journey getting to where I am. I still havn't found the financial success I have been looking for, but I am confident that I will soon enough. I've spent alot of time searching, and have gone great distances to find what I was looking for. I've also learned alot from my experiences.

I'm considering writing a book on my experiences, and how all the things I've learned have changed me. It'd be my real life adventure to reach my goals in life. I wouldn't release it until I finally reach my goals and can finish the story. Maybe some people would find it inspiring or intriguing.

I'd love to hear your opinions on this. Would you like to read such a book? Do you think I should sell it in stores or make it free online? Let's hear your voice!

Joe

go for it if it'll make you happy, I'll buy your first copy, take a point from the thread on the future of book publishing

barry moltz is also a person who can tell you a lot about publishing business books, and the man is very approachable: http://www.barrymoltz.com/

**nado** · 01-16-2006 10:35 PM

akula's back on the morphine again

**Sleek Media** · 01-17-2006 08:36 AM

Again, thank you very much, Akula. You always post such useful information in a tasteful manner.

Joe

**CP Mr Ofevaw** · 01-17-2006 01:22 PM

Originally Posted by Sleek Media

Again, thank you very much, Akula. You always post such useful information in a tasteful manner.

Joe

Sleek...

I get the sense that the only information you find tasteful and useful is information that agrees with you.

But while I will agree that Akula has some good posts, his opinion is only one out of two in this thread. Ignoring opinions that you asked for - opinions of a potential customer - isn't really good business ethics/tactics.

If you wanted our opinion, maybe you should have given it to us...

**Sleek Media** · 01-17-2006 04:46 PM

Originally Posted by CP Mr Ofevaw

Sleek...

I get the sense that the only information you find tasteful and useful is information that agrees with you.

But while I will agree that Akula has some good posts, his opinion is only one out of two in this thread. Ignoring opinions that you asked for - opinions of a potential customer - isn't really good business ethics/tactics.

If you wanted our opinion, maybe you should have given it to us...

Tsk. I was going to leave you alone, but I think you deserve this now.

It's not worth my time to check your profile, so I'm going to assume you are as young and inexperienced as every other person on this forum, perhaps enjoying some moderate success, but ultimately still struggling through the hardships of inexperience. You probably havn't seen enough people in your lifetime to have a good feel of how their minds work. I've not seen but a handful of people who have. To succeed in business, you really need to have focus, know what you're doing, and have the humility and open mind to accept disappointments and create change from them.

Akula strikes me as this kind of person. Every post he makes has something an intelligent person can pull from it. He never posts an arrogant judgement. He never shoves in a baseless opinion. Everything he does here has a sense of purpose and reason to it. And yet, as he teaches, he learns. This man is going to succeed big one day. That's why I listen to Akula. Unfortunately, you and Nado aren't like that yet.

See, I'm not such a nice guy. I call it as I see it. If you don't like what I have to say, then leave. It's your loss. I don't waste my time; especially not with people who don't have anything important to say.

So before you complain about me discarding your two useless posts which should be deleted, sit there and ask yourself if you've written anything worth reading. If what you've shown here is the best you can do, then your "opinion" is utterly worthless.

Now let's see how you reply to this. It will tell me everything I need to know.
Joe

**nado** · 01-17-2006 05:14 PM

lol, come on akula... you would normally smash this one

(if you look at akula's history he hasn't always been 'nice' on the forums and has recently had a change, instead telling everyone what they want to hear)

If you look at both my posts I actually wrote down information which I believe you would need to consider to sell a successful book... and was merely replying to this question of YOURS:

I'd love to hear your opinions on this. Would you like to read such a book? Do you think I should sell it in stores or make it free online? Let's hear your voice!

btw, What 'success' have you actually had in business? ... I'd say you're as inexperienced as all of us. Is Sleek Media the only business you have and have ever started? What a story! (ahh, yeah that's sarcasm in that last part)

(ok that was a little harsh)

OK, now someday I would *like* to write a book as an autobiography about my experiences in business etc. Writing an autobiography seems to assert your success in some form or another.

Now if I were in your shoes asking whether such a book would sell, and you posted my reply... then I would think, "Yeah sure, I need to actually become successful and have a good public image before I can launch a high-selling book. Yep, having experience in multiple forms of businesses would make the book more interesting."

Then I would ask myself would writing about my experiences in starting a graphic design business appeal to readers? Or would readers prefer to read how a business empire, large or small, was started (and the experiences)?

So that's my reply.

If it's not what you're after, then so be it. It's just my opinion which you clearly asked for in the beginning.

I know it's the entrepreneurial-way to shrug off any criticism and continue anyway. But constructive criticism is good. I always at least listen to comments by people, find out exactly what they're saying so we're on equal levels and then make a judgement myself... which most of the time ends up being "continue anyway", but at least I made note of their comments which could be useful at some stage.

cheers
Nathan

**CP Mr Ofevaw** · 01-17-2006 05:31 PM

Originally Posted by Sleek Media

To succeed in business, you really need to have focus, know what you're doing, and have the humility and open mind to accept disappointments and create change from them.

To truly focus, you need to take in the pros AND the cons... The good opinions AND the bad...

[Akula] never posts an arrogant judgement. He never shoves in a baseless opinion.

A baseless opinion? Sorry, but you asked for an opinion... And it was a constructive one. Hmm...

Unfortunately, you and Nado aren't like that yet.

You ASKED for an opinion and got one. If you can't handle the heat, maybe YOU shouldn't be in business. Or, maybe you shouldn't have asked for an opinion in the first place? Don't ask for an apple and get pissed because someone hands it to you.

See, I'm not such a nice guy. I call it as I see it. If you don't like what I have to say, then leave. It's your loss. I don't waste my time; especially not with people who don't have anything important to say.

Again, if it's not an opinion YOU want to hear, I guess it's not important? When you go into business, please realize that YOU aren't the only one who has to like your product.

So before you complain about me discarding your two useless posts which should be deleted, sit there and ask yourself if you've written anything worth reading.

You are right... I haven't written any books or anything worth reading... But I guess that makes two of us?

If what you've shown here is the best you can do, then your "opinion" is utterly worthless.

Again, it's only worthless because it's not tailored to what YOU want to hear.

To tell you the truth, I thought your idea of writing a book was good. The biggest turn off, however, was how you handled constructive criticism. I sure hope that if your book does become a best seller that you NOT handle negative reviews in such a way.

Please agree to disagree with me on this. Your idea is good, but your handling of constructive criticism is not.

**Sleek Media** · 01-17-2006 11:49 PM

Heheh, how sadly predictable those responses were.

Here's some advice for the future: don't let people manipulate you. Whether they trick you into taking some action, or just control your emotions with some choice words, it dosn't matter. If somebody can make you follow their will without you knowing it, then you don't have a chance.

I toyed with you a little bit for my amusement this time. Next time, however, might actually count for something. You are young and inexperienced (more so than me, I assure you), and especially vulnerable to mind games. Learn to overcome this.

Now stay out my threads until you find something useful to say (and I don't mean your opinions), or next time I won't be so nice.

Joe

**CP Mr Ofevaw** · 01-17-2006 11:55 PM

LOL!

You're right, I shouldn't waste my words in your waste-of-space thread. Learn to take an opinion pal, you're already on the path to failure with that attitude.

"Toy" with me all you want and keep playing your games. Just remember that while you are "toying", everyone else is moving ahead

**CP Mr Ofevaw** · 01-17-2006 11:58 PM

Oh man, the more I read your original post, the more I feel like busting out in laughter!

I'd love to hear your opinions on this. Would you like to read such a book? Do you think I should sell it in stores or make it free online? Let's hear your voice!

Take a chill pill and get some anger management courses, bud.