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Old 07-24-2007, 07:31 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Having more money doesn't help you provide long-term solutions over temporary solutions. A willingess and desire to help other people are what matters, not how much you have or don't have.

Simply put, it is my belief that in any context, it is selfish to advise someone to take care of themselves before helping others.
I'm not too sure I agree with this. Let me give you an example - I have a friend who needed a job, and since I know and am on good terms with several area business owners, I found him a job paying $9.50 an hour (hes 19 and the only job he's ever had is McDonalds). After the FIRST day of work, he didn't want to go back because it was 'too hard, and I'm not gonna do mexican work.' I was in complete disbelief. I went out of my way to help my friend out, and he repaid me by making me look like a fool by recommending him for the job (very easy work, working for a realtor on property finishing work, like varnishing cabinents and such).

I would have been better off by spending that time helping myself do something greater, instead of trying to give my friend a handup. That's the case with most people - especially young people - and I'm sure you guys have noticed this, that most people are so unbelievably selfish that they just don't care when someone helps them out. If they wanted something so bad, they'd figure out a way to get it on their own, just like I did. From MANY personal experiences, not just this one occasion, I've found that by helping people, you're often only wasting your time by caring when the other person doesn't - they're just 'going with the flow' and if you're going to give them something they would otherwise have to work for, 'cool.' They lose interest within hours.

What this has taught me is that the time that you spend trying to help people should still be spent, but you should be very exclusive on who spend with. If you're going to give a part of yourself (your time, which you only have so much of), then you need to know the other person is going to appreciate it, and is going to work hard to make sure that you don't look like a fool and he/she doesn't look like a typical adolescent fuck up. A lot of times, the best thing that you can do to help out the typical person is to just be realistic with them: you're not getting anywhere without getting over being lazy and selfish. Achieving/gaining anything in this world is completely dependent on ambition, desire (which is different from ambition), diliegent execution, honest relationships, and realistic outlook on your personal situation.

Anyways, I've never posted on threads in any forum that were posted by someone who was probably just bored, and won't even check back to see if someone responded.

So what I'm saying is don't go out of your way to find people to help. If someone really wants your help they'll find you, and more importantly, they will put some type of value on what you're offering. Maybe they don't pay you, but it's like a friend who can't do laundry (whatever) who mows your yard in exchange for you doing his/her laundry. If you hear how shitty someone's situation is, and it's just a 'poor me' story, don't feel sorry for them. Those people are where they are because they put themselves there. If someone really wants your help, they will only talk about how the only direction they're going is up, and how they can pay you back for helping them out.
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Old 07-24-2007, 07:36 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Old 07-24-2007, 07:37 PM   #33 (permalink)
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lol....whats your point? What are you trying to do?

Care to share anything about yourself? Its not really fair to attempt to bash others when no one knows anything about you.

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Old 07-24-2007, 07:49 PM   #34 (permalink)
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Obviously not everyone is deserving of help. And of those, not everyone can be helped.
But I do believe that not everyone has the means to help themselves.
I mentor underpriveleged high school students in the inner city of Chicago. We provide 4 years of scholarships to these students and mentor them through the process. Not everyone is deserving; we interview a large pool of applicants to hear their stories and listen to their dreams. But the ones that do enter the program are given something that they would not be able to get through on their own.
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Old 07-24-2007, 08:15 PM   #35 (permalink)
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Old 07-24-2007, 08:18 PM   #36 (permalink)
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I'm 100% confident that after you get to Harvard and get your MBA you will will retract this statement.
I'm 100% confident i won't.

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This is one of those things that you can't argue over because either people get it or they don't.
You can argue any idea.


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I'm not putting you down, but why should someone listen to you instead of RK? Same goes for me, so don't think I'm attacking you. I hope a person would listen to Mr. Kiyosaki over anyone here on ye.
They shouldn't listen to me or RK. They should think for themselves and form their own opinions. I gave my opinion on RK.

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Its pointless to show RK's weaknesses about running a business because he would be the first person to say that he isn't the best. He use to run his main businesses, but now he hire executives to run it because he wants to build his businesses bigger and stronger and realizes that someone else is better at it than he is.
How can an owner hire executives if he doesn't have a firm grasp of his own business? If he didn't he could be hiring morons and not know it. Owners need to have an equivalent or better understanding so that they can evaluate decisions being made. Simply ignorantly outsourcing it in an attempt to make it "bigger and stronger" is ludicrous.
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Old 07-24-2007, 08:34 PM   #37 (permalink)
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You need to keep things in context.
This is quite ironic coming from the cherry picker school of argumentation.

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Are you so infallible that you judge the careers and lives of others based on one single act? You're an idiot if you do.
My opinions on RK were formed from various sources. What sources? I read Rich Dad, Poor Dad and it was rubbish. I read Retire Young, Retire Rich and it was rubbish. I saw his seminar on PBS and it was rubbish. I read his rebuttal to John T. Reed and it was rubbish. I read the article from ABC and it was just another confirmation of the opinion i had formed about him.


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Beg your pardon?
Maybe i can type it a little slower for you. Businesses (via management) make choices every day. These choices are either detrimental, inconsequential or beneficial. The ultimate success (or failure) of a business is due to these decisions.



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The reason these individuals did not "succeed" in the 20 days was that they probably didn't have a good foundation to begin with. How do we know that 20/20 didn't have an established bias and recruited the most inept individuals they could find?
That's right 20/20 is "out to get" RK. It isn't because of what he advocates, no no it's everyone else's fault. Please.
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Old 07-24-2007, 08:39 PM   #38 (permalink)
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I honestly can see how the average person with no prior financial education or experience can listen to what the Rich Dad books say and think it's great, he tells people what they want to hear mixing in that you have to work hard and he then borrows known financial principals from others and adapts them to his story and to sound creditable he backs it up with his own success (but you know how i feel about that). This proves to the average Joe that with out a doubt they too just like Robert can make it and they buy all his books to learn more. All of these "help me get rich" books say basically the same thing, either save and use compound interest and manage your finances well, telling people basic principals they should already know or they tell you to start a business and work hard (yes this a summary in general of all self help books).

Any person who has pursued Finance to higher levels (MBA or countless certifications) from my experience laughs at these self help books knowing full well real finance not the watered down version in these books. As i posted in another thread when i worked for a BB bank the fund managers and REIT people i dealt with (guys who manage billions of dollars on prop desks and in internal hedge funds and the REIT guys manage huge portfolios of real estate) laugh at such books advice on investing and real estate.
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My opinions on RK were formed from various sources. What sources? I read Rich Dad, Poor Dad and it was rubbish. I read Retire Young, Retire Rich and it was rubbish. I saw his seminar on PBS and it was rubbish. I read his rebuttal to John T. Reed and it was rubbish. I read the article from ABC and it was just another confirmation of the opinion i had formed about him.
Thank you. We now know you have an opinion of him.

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No, I was asking you what you said. Pay attention to your missing words and I wouldn't have to ask you.

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Oh, I see. Then the news media doesn't ever have an established bias. We all know they are fair and just in all their dealings.
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