[swilliamsnz]

Well i just have to mention here that i've looked at about a bazillion posts on this site and am constantly amazed at the amount of posts I'm coming across with people degrading others, backstabbing, attacking posts and just general, 'we could all live without it', Bullsh*t.

(This is absolutely no reflection on how I personally conduct business so my apologies in advance for the language and tone of the post however enough is enough is enough.)

I guess I just feel real sorry for people who have been posting messages and then reading a reply claiming 'spam!' or replies saying 'don't do it!', 'i've seen better' etc etc... I've often wanted to reply on behalf of these people and put these nay-sayers in their place but my time cannot afford me the luxury of doing so.

Heard this saying? - 'Why hang round the turkeys when you could soar like an eagle'. I tell ya there's alot of turkey's on this site.

Anyway, I just wanted to vent and get that out of my system so thanks for listening!!!

[ericesquire]

Ok

[justin8]

In all honesty the pag as people that we tag as spammers are people that post their oppurtunity across the whole board as their first post and then never post again. You have to build your credability.

If someone on the street told you that they could make you a million dollars if you gave them $100 dollars, would you just hand over the money? If it was your friend you probably would cause you trust them, but a stranger............

[mxer210]

If someone has a bad idea, it's the responsibility of the community to give that person input and prevent them from wasting his or her time and money into an idea.

If I posted on YE 8 months ago asking about feedback to sell portable audio products online (which I already half failed at and already closed shop) and other entrepreneurs had told me "don't waste your time" instead of saying "yeah that's an awesome idea" I would have sincerely appreciated it. In reality, the originator who comes up with an idea often overlooks aspects that are faulty or flawed within their own idea and it takes other entrepreneurs to help that person look at the idea with a different perspective. In business, you have to be blunt, frank, and truthful.

About spammers, this isn't an advertising or MLM community, but a place of fellowship among entrepreneurs. There are plenty of other forms of advertising, and this community isn't one of them.

[bonafizzle8]

Originally posted by mxer210
If someone has a bad idea, it's the responsibility of the community to give that person input and prevent them from wasting his or her time and money into an idea.

If I posted on here asking about feedback to sell portable audio products online and other entrepreneurs had told me "don't waste your time" instead of saying "yeah that's an awesome idea" I would have sincerely appreciated it. In reality, the originator who comes up with an idea often overlooks aspects that are faulty or flawed within their own idea and it takes other entrepreneurs to help that person look at the idea with a different perspective. In business, you have to be blunt, frank, and truthful.

About spammers, this isn't an advertising or MLM community, but a place of fellowship among entrepreneurs. There are plenty of other forms of advertising, and this community isn't one of them.

well said

[ericesquire]

You know who's negative? People who get all weepy and teary eyed when others try to give them constructive, HONEST, criticism. Dry your eyes, man up, take the heat, and maybe you'll learn a thing or two from those who have been there, done that, got the free mouse pad.

*hands swilliamsnz a Kleenex*

Not everyone will be your friend and supporter partner, that's life.

[JimiHendrix]

There is no point to a website like this if we aren't free to voice true opinions. The bottom line is that usually when you come up with an idea you see all of its advantages and none of its disadvantages. It takes other people to give objective criticism. We aren't here to just say "oh that's a great idea, go ahead", if the idea isn't great. I would rather save thousands of dollars than be given empty words of encouragement.

With the spammers, I'll just reiterate what the others have said: Often people come on here and post MLMs or other advertising in every forum. These posts have nothing to do with entrepreneurship and are therefore spam.

We do not "degrade" each other. The majority of us work hard to improve our business skills and our lives through this site, and to assert otherwise quite frankly is an insult. I have no issue in admitting that we may occasionally (very occasionally) be too hard on a person or idea, but those instances are abnormalities rather than norms. Please do not insult our community in this way; your post was more venemous than anything I have read in these forums.

[Sarafina]

Very good replies thus far guys. Swilliamsnz we appreciate your opinion but you'll quickly realise that these so-called negative posters are truly doing other members a favour. The members of this forum are easily the most entrepreneurially endowed young adults i've ever met. Stick around, you might learn something.

[mpnetwork]

When a member has a good idea, or needs advice, almost everyone here is supportive and helpful. We're trying to come up with improvements, variations, approaches, etc etc

If an idea needs a bit more thought, there's people here that will say that. Much better to raise a concern now and a) adjust the concept or b) not waste your time.

[swilliamsnz]

Originally posted by swilliamsnz
...amazed at the amount of posts I'm coming across with people degrading others, backstabbing, attacking posts and just general, 'we could all live without it', Bullsh*t...

I understand every single comment everyone has made thus far and I agree totally. What I'm actually talking about is different...

What part of the above key words do you not understand? I'm not talking about honest, constructive criticism. Yes there definitely is a place for it here on this forum and I also agree, if something needs saying it needs saying. Spam is spam is spam and spammers need to be held accountable definitely. MLM, varying schools of thought on that one but not the subject of this thread.

What I see lacking from some individuals is

1. Professionalism in speech and conduct when posting and addressing individuals, instead the tone gets lowered and speech begins to get personal and 2. I believe Maturity has alot to do with but nothing anyone can do about that one!

Perhaps I'm being too critical...

*takes a kleenex and wipes a tear

[ericesquire]

1. This is a forum for young entrepreneurs, some of them not even 18 years old - if you're expecting fluent, mature language to flow from a 15 year olds mouth, you're mistaken...

2. It is a FORUM, not a business meeting - this is a casual environment and a place where people can connect and talk about business or otherwise, even if it's just BS talk...a web forum, not a board room.

[bps092]

This community is about business. In business to be a success, you have to be able to except harsh criticism and remarks from even your own friends, family and loved ones next to your average day people. If you cannot accept it from people you don't even know, I don't know what to say to you except, you need to learn to accept what people say because if a majority of the people are saying it, it i