Are you Christian, Jewish, or Muslim?

[mike810]

I found a interesting article relating to religion while searching through digg. It is exactly what i have been trying to tell people for years. Hope you all find it interesting

Cenk Uygur: If You're a Christian, Muslim or Jew - You are Wrong

[ACMAir]

In my opinion, I find religion full of nothing but corruption. However, to answer your question, i'm well, i was Christian when I was born, but accidentally underwent the barmitzfa rituals and was blessed by a Rabbi as a Jewish child. Therefore, I am not quite sure, but at heart I am an atheist.

[SendBlast]

The author of that article is known as "The Fat Turk"

He is a fat stupid liberal who only criticizes.

[Mega B]

No religion here either but if someone does follow one i respect there wishes and i hope they respect mine !!!!

[commit]

Well I imagine this thread will get full of posts with people that don't really know what there talking about.

Let's watch and see what happens.

[FrioGott]

I feel religion was a form of control in a more chaotic time. Not in the sense of being the people to ones will, but in the sense of keeping the peace. In modern times, religion is a way of keeping people morally stable. Most people often feel they also need to have faith in something. It is like a 'security blanket', so people will feel they have some sort of ultimate protection. Society as a whole probably needs religion as a means of stability. We wouldn't want everyone walking around thinking it is perfectly acceptable to rape, pillage, and lie now do we? Of course the government made laws stating those things are wrong, but many people will follow their religion over their government.

In my personal beliefs, I think there is a higher power. But, I do not think it is a Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Hindu, what have you, god. I think we are all connected by electrical impulses, and ideas are really just a combined collection of similar thoughts that someone had the cognitive ability to pick up on. Ghosts and spirits are simply the remains of our electrical impulses that didn't make it to, what I consider a big cloud of electrical impulses, when they died. The big cloud being where we all go when we die. We all survive as energy.

[mike810]

Well i am not really a fan of his other articles. He has a few good points now and then.

Anyway, honestly, no matter how hard i try to be 'politically correct' i find it hard to understand someone who devotes their entire life to a lie.

Why cant people do the right thing because its the right thing instead of because they are afraid they are going to burn in hell? Why do we need religion to keep the world stable? Why do people live in ignorance?

Actually religion evolved over time. There is strong evidence that even cave men worshiped some kind of 'god', which is thought to have been things, such as lightening, fire, etc, instead of a being.

[JLeezer]

I am a Christian, not because I or am afraid of going to hell, but because I believe that the son of God came to earth and died for my sins. I try my best to keep sin out of my life (though I fail frequently seeing as how I am not perfect...nor am I expected to be) because of the gratitude I have for Christ's sacrifice and the desire I have to live more like him.

I wish Cenk Uygur would take a good, thorough look at what he is ranting about prior to ranting about it. Quite a few of his definitive statements about Christianity are blatantly incorrect. It is sad to know that people will be reading that article and believing it out of their pure ignorance of the facts.

I don't believe it is my place to push my faith (not religion...those are completely different concepts) on others who do not want it, but do desire to share it with those who have some interest in learning more. I will not discriminate based on beliefs, whether in agreement with mine or not. I do not hate, dislike, or even just prefer to not be around others with differing beliefs--that is just silly. How are we going to expand our minds as humans if we cannot co-exist peacefully and productively with others?

[mike810]

How are we going to expand our minds as humans if we still believe in complete fairytales in the twenty-first century? I show respect to all people but i still prefer the company of someone who does not believe in fables.

Sometimes you need to take a step back and look at what you are worshipping instead of ignoring sense and reason and having 'faith'. Religious preachers want you to let go of any and all doubt and have faith in your religion. This is only asking you to ignore all the contradictions and pure b.s. and believe in something based on no actual facts.

Here is an exert from the first page of the bible.

"1 First God made heaven & earth 2 The earth was without form and void, and darkness was upon the face of the deep; and the Spirit of God was moving over the face of the waters. 3 And God said, "Let there be light"; and there was light. 4 And God saw that the light was good; and God separated the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light Day, and the darkness he called Night. And there was evening and there was morning, one day. 6 And God said, "Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it separate the waters from the waters." 7 And God made the firmament and separated the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament. And it was so. 8 And God called the firmament Heaven. And there was evening and there was morning, a second day. 9 And God said, "Let the waters under the heavens be gathered together into one place, and let the dry land appear." And it was so. 10 God called the dry land Earth, and the waters that were gathered together he called Seas. And God saw that it was good. 11 And God said, "Let the earth put forth vegetation, plants yielding seed, and fruit trees bearing fruit in which is their seed, each according to its kind, upon the earth." And it was so. 12 The earth brought forth vegetation, plants yielding seed according to their own kinds, and trees bearing fruit in which is their seed, each according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 13 And there was evening and there was morning, a third day. 14 And God said, "Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to separate the day from the night; and let them be for signs and for seasons and for days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the firmament of the heavens to give light upon the earth." And it was so. 16 And God made the two great lights, the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night; he made the stars also. 17 And God set them in the firmament of the heavens to give light upon the earth, 18 to rule over the day and over the night, and to separate the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening and there was morning, a fourth day. 20 And God said, "Let the waters bring forth swarms of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the firmament of the heavens." 21 So God created the great sea monsters and every living creature that moves, with which the waters swarm, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 22 And God blessed them, saying, "Be fruitful and multiply and fill the waters in the seas, and let birds multiply on the earth." 23 And there was evening and there was morning, a fifth day. 24 And God said, "Let the earth bring forth living creatures according to their kinds: cattle and creeping things and beasts of the earth according to their kinds." And it was so. 25 And God made the beasts of the earth according to their kinds and the cattle according to their kinds, and everything that creeps upon the ground according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 26 Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness; and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth.the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps upon the earth. So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them. "

For all you educated people, I do not think i need to explain how many complete and total lies there are in the first page of the bible!!! A big one for you, we all know that humans were definitely not here 5 days after the earth was created

[JLeezer]

If you look at the historicity of the Bible, you will see that a great deal of what you are calling "fairytale" can and has been proven to be a factual account of history. Could you provide any factual, research based evidence that shows that the accounts of the Bible are nothing more than fairytales?

[mike810]

can you explain what i just mentioned in my last post?

[JLeezer]

Take a quick read of the following excerpt from a booklet entitled Creation or Evolution: Does It Really Matter What You Believe?. If you have 5 to 10 minutes, I'd suggest reading the entire article regardless of your beliefs as it is quite informative.

"Bear in mind that God does not usually explain all there is to know about a subject in one place in the Bible. Even the biblical writers He inspired did not always fully understand what they recorded (compare Daniel 12:8-9; 1 Peter 1:10-12). And He often fills in more details in other passages. So it is with Genesis 1.

Consider, for example, that Genesis 1:1 says, "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." It might seem as if this verse describes the beginning of everything, but God later reveals details of events and conditions that took place earlier.

The apostle John, writing under God's inspiration, takes us back to a time before events described in Genesis 1. "In the beginning," he states, "was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made" (John 1:1-3, emphasis added throughout)."

[JLeezer]

I am curious as to your response to my last post from yesterday. I do not claim to be a biblical scholar by any means, but I am pretty good at finding valid sources of information. When you compare the argument I have provided to the one provided by mike810, they are at extreme ends of the quality spectrum. His simply states a broad generalization without fact ("For all you educated people, I do not think i need to explain how many complete and total lies there are in the first page of the bible!!!"), whereas the one I provided includes multiple scripture references and logic to allow the reader to come to an educated decision.

Mike810: The purpose of a debate is to explain your case, not simply provide a passage you disagree with and then state that you clearly do not need to explain why you disagree with it. If you are going to disagree with Genesis, please at least do us the favor of explaining your disagreement thoroughly.

[chrispalko]

Mr. Uygur has no room to mention the word "logic". His entire article is like a giant fallacy.

[FortuneDarryl]

I have met more spiritual people that are not religious than religious people that are spritual.