[ron komorowski]

We are an advanced country. We have worked very hard for a better life and now we have it. Other countries can strip our wealth; what we have built for our kids and grandkids as they will work for less than we will. Say you were offered a CEO job when you are a lower level exec. You might do the job for half what the CEO typically makes.

Workers in a third world country will work for less. They do not have the lifestyle we have because they did not build the foundation we did. Is it fair with global frre trade to just let us slowly get stripped of all we built?

Remember, EVERYTHING runs in cycles, moreover it really must for things to exist. Economies, reigns of countries run in cycles. We may very well be nearing the down side of that cycle. We need to protect ourselves and just watch it. The big blast around here with no worries is gone right now.

As you see China and India are starting to treat themselves better; exhibit A & B of the cycle. We got to start trying to hold onto some of our own. I think global free trade with no favoritism for us will eventually put a bad hurting on us. The numbers just don't add up in out favor anymore.

I see this and that is why I am making my stand. It will be quite loud shortly too.

Ron
Inventor of Handi-Straps
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[tazman9r]

I understand what you're saying. But I have to say, I don't begrudge a country for being able to advance it's economic position in this world without having gone through same growing pains that we have. We live in a global economy that is different from the economies of 100, 50 even 25 years ago. I will happily sing from the rooftops with you that we must focus on production and manufacturing real, tangible goods again. I don't think this country is best served as a solely customer service economy. But we'll retain better quality jobs in this country if the those companies that require call centers and other types of jobs that can be "outsourced" have to, and are allowed to, compete with overseas markets. Again, I'll state the fact that companies do not exist to provide high wage jobs to people, they exist to make money.

When a company is designed to produce something, tangible or not, and it is also designed to maximize income potential for the employee while still maximizing profit for the company, that is where you will see the next economic "revolution" in this country, akin to the industrial revolution that took us from an agricultural based economy and propelled us to what we are today. We are currently in the "technology revolution", and it didn't start with the internet. I believe it started when we tied the internet to our communications system. And because of this revolution advances in computers and telecommunications are allowing the rest of the world to go through it's own economic revolutions.

I think the other thing to remember is that a production economy is not a zero sum game. The economy 101 lesson everyone should leave elementary school knowing is that wealth grows and is created as tangible goods are created and sold for profit. Companies that focus on the support of producers also help grow wealth. The zero sum game only starts when we solely deal in non-tangible goods or services that are not associated with the selling of tangible goods. We then loose wealth because all our goods must then be imported. Then there is no or very limited growth. Yes, I agree that this is what is happening now. Yes I do think this trend is reversible.

The economy is cyclical, just as everything on this planet is cyclical. Has anyone thought of why this is? It's because when an economic system is discovered or designed, it has a life cycle before it has to grow. Much like a squash plant, it will grow comfortably while it is young and being cared for, but will only produce fruit when it is stressed. Children are the same way, but you won't properly understand this unless you have them (for the YE's out there without kids). You have to not water the plant, not give it the best conditions. An economy is forced to grow, or evolve, only when stress is applied, like it is now.

We must acknowledge that we no longer live in the economy of the New Deal. We have to let our economy grow into it's next stage, one that will continue to produce for us while being allowed to integrate with the rest of the world. The constant the world over is that all economies are entrepreneurial economies. When individuals are allowed to find better ways to support themselves by designing viable businesses the produce a product, or support the sale of a product, wealth grows. In order to best achieve this, the market must to be left alone to find it's own balance, it's own equilibrium. Only then will our economy begin to grow again.

[ron komorowski]

Wow Tazman....your a smart guy. That's what I like to hear....thought out statements explaining the reasoning instead of quick few line statements so we all can learn.

I am not here for typing exercise, I am here to learn. Thanks for the lesson! Great analogies!

Ron
Inventor of Handi-Straps
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[tazman9r]

Originally Posted by ron komorowski

I am not here for typing exercise, I am here to learn.

Yeah, I guess if we do this too much more we could say we co authored a small book.

Thanks for the complimentary observations of my thoughts, but until my website becomes more successful, they are just thoughts. I'm grateful that there are companies like yours out there doing what you do.

[ron komorowski]

Originally Posted by tazman9r

Yeah, I guess if we do this too much more we could say we co authored a small book.

Thanks for the complimentary observations of my thoughts, but until my website becomes more successful, they are just thoughts. I'm grateful that there are companies like yours out there doing what you do.

That's ok.....success takes time and more time than you expect sometimes. As long as you move forward in some way and don't stall it will all work.

I am having a ROUGH time in this economy. I was doing great climbing the mountain last year and here comes the mud slide. Good thing is we all get a chance to toughen up and get that much better.

Thanks for the compliment on my mission. I hope to encourage others before we can't even tie our own shoes anymore. We will need some Chinese guy to do it for us. Not knocking Chinese, they are WONDERFUL hard working demanding respect, but we can start doing a little more work around here too.

What the hell? If we can't put a few stitches in a product like mine and throw it in a bag then WE ARE SHOT around here.

Ron
Inventor of Handi-Straps
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[Ahern & Brucker]

Originally Posted by tazman9r

Yeah, I guess if we do this too much more we could say we co authored a small book.

Thanks for the complimentary observations of my thoughts, but until my website becomes more successful, they are just thoughts. I'm grateful that there are companies like yours out there doing what you do.

Yeah, I was just going to suggest you kids get a room! lol

While your solving the woes of the world, you might want to think about what it is going to take to "wise up" the average american "consumer" to the "evils of their ways" being so easy to seduce with "20% off" lol why is it so easy to sell out your fellow countrymen? your neighbors? how cana you convince them that the resources we are competing for are being created by the need to satisfy the "buy" fix.? is their a case for less money in our pockets is because we are spending less for the imported stuff??

While your chewing on that fix make a case for striving for excellence if it says "made in america"... something beyond a slick package and catchy tune... not enough to say it's made in america but it has to "mean" something... if all we do is produce even cheaper crap than china we are not really gaining anything lasting...

Anyway, get this all figured out will ya??

[ron komorowski]

Originally Posted by Ahern & Brucker

Yeah, I was just going to suggest you kids get a room! lol

While your solving the woes of the world, you might want to think about what it is going to take to "wise up" the average american "consumer" to the "evils of their ways" being so easy to seduce with "20% off" lol why is it so easy to sell out your fellow countrymen? your neighbors? how cana you convince them that the resources we are competing for are being created by the need to satisfy the "buy" fix.? is their a case for less money in our pockets is because we are spending less for the imported stuff??

While your chewing on that fix make a case for striving for excellence if it says "made in america"... something beyond a slick package and catchy tune... not enough to say it's made in america but it has to "mean" something... if all we do is produce even cheaper crap than china we are not really gaining anything lasting...

Anyway, get this all figured out will ya??

Hey Bob! China's quality has been improving until this last issue with toxic toys. I was kind of happy to see the crackdown so U.S. manufacturers get a little more level playing field.

I do have a friend that had hats made in China, the order came back half defective even with a manufacturers rep from the U.S. This may be an occasional instance but I also know about purchase order financing. The company I was talking to goes right to the docks in China to make sure the order is good because they are financing the order. Ofcoarse the cost is charged to you but they must be doing it for a reason.

I do know the problem is there is alot of outsourcing with China manufaturers to secondary operations. I am around the manufacturing processes of many products with the networks I am involved in.

Anyway, my product is of utmost quality made here. I was so surprised when I first got the final design from my manufacturer. I take GREAT pride in that.

Look at your business, I don't even have to ask. You have the highest end as your niche. Why? Because you can't compete in high production pieces. You have to move to custom work.

I really think these issues are all shortly to be exposed when we really try to figure why our economic cycle has been wobbling since about 2000. There are deep underlying problems that need to be fixed. Maybe we can figure out some of what that exactly is. Maybe it's in part because of the widening gap between rich and poor which can destroy the cycle. I think the next four years there will be some historic evaluations and I think they will be successful.

Of importance to us entrepreneurs, to put simply, we need to know the climate out there so we know how to dress ourselves....so to speak.

Ron
Inventor of Handi-Straps
Handi Straps Lifting System Home

[goodfriend]

I will be .

[raydonahh]

I hope you guy's don't hate chinese people because most of us are just trying to make it like everyone in america. MAYBE we just more hard working because our parents teach us great moral. We should not dislike a race just because it is trying to do well.. I am just posting this because i feel abit awkward hearing all this ramble about china. Free enterprise has cause so many debates over race its sad to hear about...

[Ahern & Brucker]

Originally Posted by raydonahh

I hope you guy's don't hate chinese people because most of us are just trying to make it like everyone in america. MAYBE we just more hard working because our parents teach us great moral. We should not dislike a race just because it is trying to do well.. I am just posting this because i feel abit awkward hearing all this ramble about china. Free enterprise has cause so many debates over race its sad to hear about...

Well, this "ramble" doesn't have much to do about the people, more it's the product, product safety, the less than adequate working conditions and the treatment of the workers, monitoring or quality control, ethics, and the list goes on.

The "moral" parts that your parents taught you, i'll leave to time...