[raydonahh]

Its a small world, I will for sure meet you one day in person. I have a gut feeling that is telling me that. Networking is what keep the business world breathing.

*I will soon give you a positive reason to meet*

[tazman9r]

Originally Posted by Ahern & Brucker

While your solving the woes of the world, you might want to think about what it is going to take to "wise up" the average american "consumer" to the "evils of their ways" being so easy to seduce with "20% off" lol why is it so easy to sell out your fellow countrymen? your neighbors? how cana you convince them that the resources we are competing for are being created by the need to satisfy the "buy" fix.? is their a case for less money in our pockets is because we are spending less for the imported stuff??

I think the fix for this is proper education, specifically the kind of education that ends ignorance. Often in these forums it comes back to the discussion of education versus experience, but I think that is a worthwhile debate. We cant' expect to have a successful society teaching kids what we "want" the world to be, we have to teach them what "is". In this respect, I really think we need to abandon the liberal idealistic teaching that is going on now and teach according to the reality that is, not to the reality we think we want or would be nice.

Supply and demand, the rules of producing, quality versus quantity and the balance of the two, learning societal wants and needs and how to address them, and probably mot important is the reality that profit is not in and of itself evil.

The things about society and social awareness that should be taught in school ought to be tied to good business practice also with an emphasis on ending ignorance. This is the reality that discrimination towards anyone for any reason is bad because it is bad for business. I can befriend a person with a different lifestyle choice than me, but I don't need to learn to celebrate lifestyle choices that I don't choose for myself, and I don't want those lifestyle choices foisted on my kid. The "school system" needs to let him grow up to make his own choices, and accept that those choices may be different than what the "school system" wants. After all, tolerance is the acceptance of what is different, right?

This is my idea of a starting point.

[ron komorowski]

[quote=tazman9r;181877]I think the fix for this is proper education, specifically the kind of education that ends ignorance. Often in these forums it comes back to the discussion of education versus experience, but I think that is a worthwhile debate. We cant' expect to have a successful society teaching kids what we "want" the world to be, we have to teach them what "is". In this respect, I really think we need to abandon the liberal idealistic teaching that is going on now and teach according to the reality that is, not to the reality we think we want or would be nice.

Very intelligent analysis about teaching kids what is real figured by the smartest as to teach illusions created out in the "street" Never thought of it that way.

As far as college...VERY NECESSARY. I had talents that would get CEO's to listen through a cold call. I was a stranger. Big CEO's too. So to speak, I was able to hit the top floor windows but the entrances below were all closed without a ticket: a college degree. Who knows where I would be today with a degree.

If a company likes you and offers without a degree it is almost impossible to climb through middle levels without a degree. You may be lucky and get offered a lower level position.

As entrepreneurs, maybe many ventures will be sought. Some fail and leave you with a need to turn to a company for a while to gather resources again for your next business. Remember, many ventures become obsolete and force you to start completely over and in another direction that you do not have a good edge at.

As I said before, you reach any kind of level in entrepreneurship you WILL need factual information learned in college or you will be skating on thin ice and risk of losing all. I know, as a person who wishes I had a degree.

One of the most important things you get from college IS YOU LEARN HOW TO LEARN!!!!! You will need to learn all your life.

Right now I am turning to so many colleges to help me and they are; all because I cannot do certain things myself because I lack. It is alot harder too if you need to try something like this later.

Besides, you have all the resources in college to start your business while you are in college. It is easier. I have about 5 colleges helping me or have helped. Would have been so much easier to just have learned and earned my "ticket" when I was young.

STAY IN SCHOOL!!!!!!!!! Magnificent theories, products, businesses, patents come out of schools. Look at all the innovation that comes out of MIT. Those guys open a paper bag a different way and it ends up in mass media. They are always developing the future. More likely there than at your house in the garage with a budget of a hundred bucks.

No more theories of school or business. COLLEGE IS DIRE!!!!!! When you are young and full of energy you think you are Superman and can do it all. It don't last all that long...trust me!

The world keeps spinning, and things change to what you never expected, you fall, sometimes a degree is the only thing that can pick you back up. If you don't have it, your life and all dreams can be ruined forever.

AND....no damn drinking in college!!!! Absorb all the so valuable information you can! NOT BEER!!!!

Ron
Inventor of Handi-Straps
Handi Straps Lifting System Home

[Ahern & Brucker]

Originally Posted by ron komorowski;182023
Very intelligent analysis about teaching kids what is real figured by the smartest as to teach illusions created out in the "street" Never thought of it that way.

As I said before, you reach any kind of level in entrepreneurship you WILL need factual information learned in college or you will be skating on thin ice and risk of losing all. I know, as a person who wishes I had a degree.

One of the most important things you get from college IS YOU LEARN HOW TO LEARN!!!!! You will need to learn all your life.

STAY IN SCHOOL!!!!!!!!! Magnificent theories, products, businesses, patents come out of schools. Look at all the innovation that comes out of MIT. Those guys open a paper bag a different way and it ends up in mass media. They are always developing the future. More likely there than at your house in the garage with a budget of a hundred bucks.

No more theories of school or business. COLLEGE IS DIRE!!!!!! When you are young and full of energy you think you are Superman and can do it all. It don't last all that long...trust me!

The world keeps spinning, and things change to what you never expected, you fall, sometimes a degree is the only thing that can pick you back up. If you don't have it, your life and all dreams can be ruined forever.

Ron
Inventor of Handi-Straps
[url=http://www.handi-straps.com

Handi Straps Lifting System Home[/url]

I don't think "illusions" are created in the street but the other way around.

I do however agree that as an entreprenuer, you will need factual information that comes from a degree... however, having a degree in a single area say law or finance or beer bonging will leave you helpless in the woods when your needs come to something not in your "particular" area of expertise.

add up all the possible degrees you would need in your lifetime to handle all the needs of an entrperenuer and it doesn't take long to realizee that having a degree in one field really only "perhaps" prepares you for the real world in that area... yeah, maybe a ticket to some of the shows but certainly not "all" of the shows.

easier, cheaper and faster to just call a lawyer than to get a law degree... accounting? call a guy who specializes in it... need a roof built, be sure your not talking to a plumber.

and, "the" most important thing you get from college is "to learn how to learn"?? that's the "most important"? I'd think the social aspect of it and admission to the "club" would be more important. all you really need to know is how to dial the phone if you need help (or do a search on the computer)

more important i'd think than actually "owning" and "possessing" a college degree would be having the ability to assemble and utilize the people who have degrees. the conductor can't play all the instruments at once... all he can do is conduct.

No doubt college is important for our advancement in many areas and for the people who persue degrees with some purpose in mind but to say "college is diar"?? Your not giving credit to the majority of the population... and their contribution to the whole..

and yes, I also agree with your last statement and things change and the unexpected happens but i don't know for many people it is the "degree" that picks them back up (for some perhaps) but to think that not having a degree could be responsible for ruining your life and dreams forever seems a bit rash.

for everything you gain, you have to give something up.. everything has two costs... the cost that can be seen, and the cost that isn't seen. having a degree cost the same... what vision, comfort, knowledge, experience you gain from it, you also lose on other things. look under your desk and you will lose sight of whats on the top.

taz:I think the fix for this is proper education, specifically the kind of education that ends ignorance. Often in these forums it comes back to the discussion of education versus experience, but I think that is a worthwhile debate. We cant' expect to have a successful society teaching kids what we "want" the world to be, we have to teach them what "is". In this respect, I really think we need to abandon the liberal idealistic teaching that is going on now and teach according to the reality that is, not to the reality we think we want or would be nice.

I'd like to think that colleges are teaching kids to be open to new ideas and introducing them to emerging advancements in the world so they have a good understanding of what is available and where we are with our "times". I really don't know what in the hell they are teaching but it's not the guys who don't have degrees that have gotten america into this mess... it's the guys with the degrees that seem to be screwing up on "every" front.

marketeers have successfully turned americans into a consumer nation with the added bonus of entitlement... (long long list of other examples) to, greedy self serving politicans multiplied and complicated by culture, religion and personal beliefs on a world wide scale.

Do they teach greed in college? it seems everyone wants to be the biggest and make the most and do the best and be the first and realistically, how many spots are open for those achievements and accomplishments?

seems they need to teach patience and humility and realism... (humility should be mandatory) but if you live long enough, life will teach those things...

[ron komorowski]

Bob....maybe I should think about the average entrepreneur and small business when I am taking about college. I guess to open a restaurant or two, or run a small construction company or open a store or two, then maybe it comes to question if you need a degree. Yes, hire the accountant or they even have CFO's for hire on contract temporary bases.

My thing is, if your store ever has the chance to open into a franchise...no wait...we have Littman Jewelers here....something like 100 stores. That guy needs to know that all of his business people are doing the right thing. He can't just take everyone's word for it.

A small business is nice, very prestigous and filled with success, but hopefully everyone here has a shot at big business and won't be denied that shot because of lack of education.

Right now, I need to know business law along with consumer protection laws. In the news the woman that put the cold product out called Airborne got sued for 30 million dollars and lost. She grossed 100 million. she lost over a controversial phrase. It can happen to anyone.

How do I know the accountants are not making mistakes? The patent people, the marketing people; how do I know if they know what they are talking about? The management people...are they managing like a good coach?

It is endless, but atleast a degree in business would help me know a little more of what these people are doing. I am very weak and vulnerable in some ways because of lack of specific knowledge although I studied 100's of business books. I had the dean of Rutgers Business school want to show me off to corporate head hunters 8 years ago and I never attended one day of college. I still lack specific formulas and technical knowledge.

Right now I am talking to a very large venture capital firm about starting another company. We talk and they ask me technical questions and my best answer might be...daaaahh. I feel like I'm taking punch after punch sometimes in this ring...although I straighten it out as I offer my expertise and we can't have it all, we need others.

When I talk to MBAs about forming and building a corporation I feel like a little kid...they blow me away with tactical information. I am amazed. They are amazed at me just the same with my creativity, drive and confidence....but if I only had that degree to add to it instead of that first business that had to end anyway.

Point is Bob, to these young people here...stay in school if you can. It is very difficult for a 20 yr. old to make 100Gs a year in a business fresh out of high school. Might as well obtain the degree in those years. It is the safest bet. This does not mean that it is 100% Rumour has it, the founder of Wendy's only went to 6th grade. Maybe he was home schooled after that like Thomas Edison. Best bet is still school.

I shake in my shoes sometimes wondering if all the people I work with are doing an efficient smart job. They can walk away from a mistake but me...I could go to jail for it...and it wouldn't be ny fault...cause I wouldn't know I made the mistake. Fraud is so easy to do. Besides....look how many execs end up in jail...MANY. The bigger you get the more you need to know what is going on.

Ron